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05-30-2008, 06:36 PM
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branahm a ...
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Originally Posted by RevBuddy
I wasn't justifying anything! His Word needs absolutely no justification, and asks for none.
I was just giving you an example of the first Pentecostal service...very dynamic with elements of the not-so-quiet supernatural...
...but relax, I didn't even mention the earthquake or the lightning or the thunder or the high sounding cymbals, etc., etc., etc. - all biblical descriptions of God's mighty power AND of those worshipping Him...
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You go Bro. This is OUR GOD. He can be loud, He can be quiet, He can be rough, He can be soft, He is GOD and he likes it ALL. Didn't Peter say they were not drunk as ye suppose? Ever see a group of DRUNKS? All the bars I have ever seen are LOUD, much louder than Pentecostal churches usually. So if he had to tell the people coming to SEE what all the fuss was about that they were drunk as ye suppose then they must have acted like it or something close.
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05-30-2008, 06:57 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branahm a ...
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Originally Posted by Sam
In the NT book of Ephesians, Paul exhorts his readers to be filled or to be ongoingly filled or to keep getting filled with the Spirit. He compares/contrasts being under the influence of the Spirit with being under the influence of wine. He said that the results of being under the influence (drunk?) in the Spirit would be;
19Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
It's interesting that he would mention singing psalms. The Book of Psalms was a prayer book, hymn book and journal. We read in there about clapping, shouting, singing, worshiping, etc. I hardly think we would be exhorted to sing about clapping, shouting, singing, worshiping if we weren't supposed to do any of those things.
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SO MUCH FOR I COR 14 ORDER THEORY -- Hey vaughn -- you can't use that ch to eliminate all worship.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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05-30-2008, 07:12 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branahm a ...
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
SO MUCH FOR I COR 14 ORDER THEORY
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No, the guidelines of 1 Corinthians 14 would be applicable and would have to be placed alongside the exhortation of Ephesians 5:18-21. There should be a "moderate" blending of the two.
My personal opinion is that there can indeed be a time of worship, aisle running, and dancing and there can be limited prophecies and messages in tongues and interpretation. There can also be times of deep silence as people hear from and speak to God privately and quietly. But, there should also be a time when everyone shuts up and listens to the Word of the Lord taught, preached, or exhorted. Times when the Spirit "moves" in such a way that there is no preaching should be the rare exception.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
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05-30-2008, 07:21 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branahm a ...
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Originally Posted by Sam
No, the guidelines of 1 Corinthians 14 would be applicable and would have to be placed alongside the exhortation of Ephesians 5:18-21. There should be a "moderate" blending of the two.
My personal opinion is that there can indeed be a time of worship, aisle running, and dancing and there can be limited prophecies and messages in tongues and interpretation. There can also be times of deep silence as people hear from and speak to God privately and quietly. But, there should also be a time when everyone shuts up and listens to the Word of the Lord taught, preached, or exhorted. Times when the Spirit "moves" in such a way that there is no preaching should be the rare exception.
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Yeah
I know Jim and I also believe the same. I just wrote that because Vaughn tries to deny all worship using I Cor 14. I am kind've like his gadfly here in the forum.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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05-30-2008, 07:52 PM
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branham a ...
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Originally Posted by Rico
It's a good thing too. I am listening to your message right now. I in no way consider myself an expert on the Bible, but I could easily refute what you are saying in it, and even point out why. Good thing I've decided to put my Sword up.
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I'm sure you could Rico
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05-30-2008, 10:23 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branahm a ...
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
You understand this was Davidic Judaic praise... its all OT... we try to pattern NT churches off of NT guides
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Can you give us any scriptures that state specifically what a NT church service is to be like?
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05-30-2008, 10:30 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branham a ...
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
I absolutely believe the first line..... just as God moved past the Wesley Age, the Lutheran Age. the Baptist Age he doesnt stop at the Pentecostal Age... Laodocia is over and we are now in the Bride Age.. when God is calling his Bride to the Word.. out of every denomination of man... he is calling her out of Pentecost... into THE WORD
I will always tell you when you DO STRIKE on what we believe..... but to say we dont believe in the literal catching away is ludicrous
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I have to ask you. IF William Branham was the prophet to the 7th church age, as you have stated, and every age has its own prophet, then to follow William Branham would be to follow yesterdays prophet. WHO IS THE PROPHET FOR THIS AGE, The "BRIDE AGE"?
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05-30-2008, 10:34 PM
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branham a ...
The age last longer than the man... this age will bring us to the rapture
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05-30-2008, 10:44 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branham a ...
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
The age last longer than the man... this age will bring us to the rapture
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You just stated that the Laodicean Age was over, and we are now in the "BRIDE AGE". No other Age has had its prophet go beyond to the next age. So The church age Branham was a prophet in is over, and now we must have a prophet for this age.
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05-30-2008, 10:58 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: I'm Confused Dr. V - Wasn't Branahm a ...
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Do it exactly the way it reads and your fine.... We sing spiritual reverent songs and hymns in our church.... we just try not make it a flesh show... you have still showed no scriptures for isle running, shouting, rolling in the floors, jerking,, shouting,, everybody talking in tongues...
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I never said I would or could show scriptures for running "isle"...I can and did show scripture for shouting and jumping. I already tried to engage you in the tongues issue but you blew me off like you have most of my points and counter arguments.
Simply put the bible does not outlaw rejoicing or expressions of joy.
Nobody denies church is a place to learn and be edified and perfected, but you are asserting something that is simply NOT proven by you. That a service is to be void of expressions of worship, worship and praise, singing and rejoicing, prayers and ministering to both physical and spiritual needs of the saints as well as ministering to the unlearned visitors
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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