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Old 06-18-2014, 07:04 PM
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Re: Who was Harry Morse ?

Oakland Tribune Oct 15, 1929

John G Lake, the famous evangelist and healer

Today and Sunday

Aimee McPherson's Sunshine Melody Maker's Band

600 free seats await you. Bring your instruments and join for a good time. Come and help sing.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:31 PM
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Oakland Tribune Oct 20, 1917

386 9th St. nr. Franklin Rev. Harry Morse, pastor.

services nightly, 8 pm. except Monday and Saturday

Sat. 2 pm. Bible reading 3 pm worship

Sunday, same hours, also 8 pm service
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Harry Morse shared his pulpit with women preachers and women evangelists. On November 21, 1925, he announced that a Mrs. Cecil D Sitton, lady evangelist from Texas would be preaching.

Besides the revival, a "Thursday Women Only" day would be open for women over the age of 14 years old. Subjects covered would include: love, marriage and rearing of children. Also facts about traps set for our boys and girls.

It reminds me of women's day at Landmark. Is there a connection ? Was Cecil Sitton the first "radiant" woman ?

Harry Morse advertised in the Oakland Tribune starting in October of 1917. He also had a radio show in the 1940's. He believed in mass media.

In the 1917 church page of the paper, Morse had the only Pentecostal church. That would change over the years.

I do not know when students were at the Training School. But I can document students there in 1930 and 1930. But not in 1920. His obit states the school was open for about 25 years. 1925-1950 ???

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The Man of the Hills by Olive Haney page 42 and 43

"They heard of the Holy Ghost outpouring at Azuza Street, in Los Angeles. Harry Morse, a young Penial minister, was sent to investigate the phenomenon. Because he endorsed this new experience he was asked to resign from Penial. He then started a small mission of his own on the corner of Grant and Main Street in downtown Stockton. The Haneys threw their lot in with him. Sophie Haney and Harry Morse both received the Holy ghost on Sophie's twenty ninth birthday. March 14, 1908. Sophie, Levi, and their three children played instruments and sang....

A new doctrine was being promoted over the Pentecostal movement and many were the debates and discussions over the "issue"...This little group also spent much time in prayer and Bible studies on these subjects. It culminated in a division with Harry Morse and a few others, Sophie and Levi amoung them, taking a stand for baptism in the Name of Jesusand the one God message.

When Harry Morse left to open a mission on 9th Street in Oakland, California,Levi took over in Stockton for a while."

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According to Olive Haney, it was against school policy to accept pregnant married students. But exceptions were made for her, seeing arrangements had already been made.

A often sung song by the students was:

Must I be carried to the skies on flowery beds of ease, while others fought to win the prize or sailed through bloody seas. No, I must fight if I would reign, increase my courage Lord. I'll bear the tooil, endure the pain supported by Thy Word.

School was Monday through Friday, until noon. Harry Morse taught most of the classes. Ruby Martin taught the rest.

Subjects covered were: the parables, the new birth, the One God, divorce and remarriage, fruit bearing, tabernacle and Book of Revelation.

Non theological studies were also covered: altar calls, leading the songs, conducting fellowship meetings, conservation of time and others.

Olive Haney considered his lessons to be of great value.

Harry Morse favored the Sabbath (page 133). But not everyone in his church did. Services were held on both Saturday and Sunday.

Harry Morse was a "born diplomat. But more that that, he was a man of God. As such, Clyde respected and honored him, though he did not always agree with him. I can see Brother Morse yet (his chair had a little spring to it) as he would sit in church with his eyes shut, bouncing up and down a little, with his mind on the Lord. It ws said of him that he could see more with his eyes closed than most people could see with their eyes open." page 133-134


Students did not work. They lived by faith for their finances. Harry Morse was their example in this facet of life.
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What motivated Harry Morse to start the Pentecostal Training School?

Morse did not attend college anywhere. So why was he not "anti intellectual" like so many Pentecostals were ?

There were many colleges in California and in the bay area where he pastored.

Besides the new Catholic seminary, there was the San Franscisco Bible College (1914). Amiee McPherson considered starting a college in Oakland in 1930. Other colleges mentioned in the Oakland Tribune were the Calif. Bible College (1940), Southern Cali. Bible College (1940), Pacific Bible College (1949), Western Baptist Bible College (1949) and Columbia Bible College (1941).

Other local churches in Oakland had in house night school for training of ministers. Additionally, Vacation Bible Schools were more in depth and were more common in the bay area.

Did this academic culture motivate Morse to provide ministerial training in his own church ? Or did other factors motivate him ? Who was Ruby Martin ? Why was Morse so open to women in ministry as to allow her, and not some other minister, to teach the students ?
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When Harry Morse arrived in Oakland in 1916, there were no Pentecostal churches of any kind.

By collecting data from the church page of the Oakland Tribune, I have complied this incomplete picture:

1916 Pentecostal Mission Harry Morse pastor

1923 Pentecostal Assembly 1943, AOG

1924 Pentecostal Glad Tidings Revival Assembly

1928 Full Gospel Oakland Temple Church 1943, Downtown Evangelistic Center

1929 First Pentecostal Church(1929-1946)

1930 Elim Temple formerly the "Glory Barn"

1935 AOG Berkeley

1936 Pentecostal Church of God

1940 Bethel Tabernacle

1943 Oakland Temple church AOG

1950 United Pentecostal Church

1950 Bethel Assembly

1950 The Gospel Chapel


The names are colorful. "Glory Barn" is my favorite !! Churches also changed names and I had to track them by their addresses.

Morse changed the name of his church several times: Pentecostal Mission (1916), Big Downtown Mission, Pentecostal Assembly (1940), Revival Center (1957), Pentecostal Assembly, Inc. (1961).
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What motivated Harry Morse to start the Pentecostal Training School?

Morse did not attend college anywhere. So why was he not "anti intellectual" like so many Pentecostals were ?

There were many colleges in California and in the bay area where he pastored.

Besides the new Catholic seminary, there was the San Franscisco Bible College (1914). Amiee McPherson considered starting a college in Oakland in 1930. Other colleges mentioned in the Oakland Tribune were the Calif. Bible College (1940), Southern Cali. Bible College (1940), Pacific Bible College (1949), Western Baptist Bible College (1949) and Columbia Bible College (1941).

Other local churches in Oakland had in house night school for training of ministers. Additionally, Vacation Bible Schools were more in depth and were more common in the bay area.

Did this academic culture motivate Morse to provide ministerial training in his own church ? Or did other factors motivate him ? Who was Ruby Martin ? Why was Morse so open to women in ministry as to allow her, and not some other minister, to teach the students ?
Both Parham and Seymour's wives were preachers. The "holiness" movement from which both came out of had many women preachers.
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Did Harry Morse teach the "social purity" doctrine ? Is that why he and Maude had no children ? What else did he believe ? What did he not believe ?

Did he never change his beliefs ? People have a habit of changing their mind about doctrine. How do I track what he believed and how long did he believe it ? Did he always follow the social purity doctrine ?

Morse has a missions report in the 1946 edition of the Pentecostal Herald. Why did he not stay in the UPC ??

He was in the PAW, then the Pentecostal Missionary Alliance. That group became the PCI. He was the foreign missions director in 1938 (PCI) Then he was in the UPC at the merger. What was he in after that ? His obit states he was a member of the International Ministers Association. What is that ?

Morse was at Azuza Street, Arroyo Seco and was a lifelong Pentecostal. Why is there no biography of him anywhere ?

What am I missing ?
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If he joined the IMA then he was influenced by the "latter rain movement." Vanhoose, Kidson, Coots, Moore helped form the IMA all were influenced by the latter rain movement whose emphasis was on spiritual gifts and healing and minimized the importance of doctrine. They all baptized in Jesus name. All had been part of the PCI before the merger. Also Raymond Houstra the former pastor of Calvary Tabernacle in Indianapolis.
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