Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > The Newsroom > Political Talk
Facebook

Notices

Political Talk Political News


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-29-2018, 02:59 PM
aegsm76 aegsm76 is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,926
Trouble at Detroit's schools

Liberals can't run anything...
link
https://www.freep.com/story/news/edu...er/1132514002/
snippets
The Detroit school district is shutting off drinking water to all of its schools, after test results found elevated levels of lead or copper in 16 out of 24 schools that were recently tested.
__________________
If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under - Ronald Reagan
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-29-2018, 07:58 PM
Aquila Aquila is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 31,124
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Many of our local civil infrastructure, mainly our water systems, are in dire need of repairs and upgrades. Both parties have ignored it. Consider Flint, Michigan.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-29-2018, 08:50 PM
Jito463 Jito463 is offline
J.esus i.s t.he o.ne God (463)


 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,089
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
Both parties have ignored it. Consider Flint, Michigan.
Flint has been run by the Dems for years. How is that the fault of the Republicans?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Originalist View Post
Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-29-2018, 09:39 PM
Aquila Aquila is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 31,124
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jito463 View Post
Flint has been run by the Dems for years. How is that the fault of the Republicans?
I'm only saying neither party made the issue a priority. And both parties played a roll. I draw this conclusion from an article I read some time back.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-water-crisis/
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-29-2018, 09:51 PM
Wilsonwas Wilsonwas is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 465
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jito463 View Post
Flint has been run by the Dems for years. How is that the fault of the Republicans?
Because another Dem..Coleman A Young, ran Detroit into the ground, and then tried to raise the water rates for water it moved out of the Detroit river, and Flint, in order to try to save its own limited cash, started pumping from the Flint river, which was more polluted. Richer parts of Oakland county sued Detroit rather than look for cheap and dirty fixes.

Meanwhile the Repubs, not to be outdone allow Nestle to pump ground water for less than Flint woukd have paid Detroit.....so they can sell bottles all over the country. Not sure if Nestle employs enough folk to make up the difference.

Coleman Young was mayor of Detroit for 40 years....and it only started to come back when the city got embarrased of its own council, (calling people Shreck at meetings, and getting messed up in the Kwami deals) that it finally voted in a pro-business mayor that did not think the "suboibs was da enemy".

Flint trashed itself, trying to not be a "suboib"
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-29-2018, 10:51 PM
Jito463 Jito463 is offline
J.esus i.s t.he o.ne God (463)


 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,089
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
I'm only saying neither party made the issue a priority. And both parties played a roll. I draw this conclusion from an article I read some time back.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-water-crisis/
PolitiFart? Oh, brother. If they can throw mud at a Republican, you can bet they will. If they can find any way possible to attempt cleaning up a Dem's image, you can bet they absolutely will. Politi"fact" is a left-wing run site that pretends to be unbiased (much like CNN).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilsonwas View Post
Because another Dem..Coleman A Young, ran Detroit into the ground, and then tried to raise the water rates for water it moved out of the Detroit river, and Flint, in order to try to save its own limited cash, started pumping from the Flint river, which was more polluted. Richer parts of Oakland county sued Detroit rather than look for cheap and dirty fixes.
In truth, Flint would have been okay with the water they got from the river, except they hadn't upgraded their water system in decades. The Dems - as usual - fall victim to the law of unintended consequences, and it's always someone else that pays the price for their mistakes.

Ironically, even PFart had to acknowledge the issue was with their pipes:

Quote:
but it eventually became clear that lead was leaching into the water supply from the city’s old pipes.
Of course, that doesn't stop them from trying to blame the governor (even though the pipe upgrade is a local city council issue), all because the governor is a Republican, while the city council and mayor are Dimmies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilsonwas View Post
Meanwhile the Repubs, not to be outdone allow Nestle to pump ground water for less than Flint woukd have paid Detroit.....so they can sell bottles all over the country. Not sure if Nestle employs enough folk to make up the difference.
I fail to see how that's to blame for Flint's issues.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Originalist View Post
Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-30-2018, 06:27 AM
Aquila Aquila is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 31,124
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Okay, ya'll win. The Republicans in these states and localities had nothing to do with it, not a thing.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-30-2018, 10:48 AM
n david n david is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 16,793
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
Okay, ya'll win. The Republicans in these states and localities had nothing to do with it, not a thing.
It's pretty clear the issue was with the local Democrats who did nothing until it was too late, then blamed the Governor for their mess.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-30-2018, 12:36 PM
Aquila Aquila is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 31,124
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Quote:
Originally Posted by n david View Post
It's pretty clear the issue was with the local Democrats who did nothing until it was too late, then blamed the Governor for their mess.
On what grounds did they blame the Governor?

This is what I found:
The water crisis in Flint, Michigan, has roots back several years and is tied to various executive actions by Governor Snyder. In recent months, multiple FOIA requests and email releases have tried to uncover what Governor Snyder knew about the water crisis and when he knew it. This timeline compiles many of those findings to explore how the crisis unfolded and Governor Snyder’s involvement. It is clear that the Snyder administration knew more about the crisis than it had initially disclosed to the public — with disastrous consequences for public health.

January 1, 2011 – Rick Snyder assumes office as governor.

March 16, 2011 – Governor Snyder signs Public Act 4 of 2011 expanding powers of emergency managers.

November 8, 2011 – Governor Snyder declares a financial emergency setting the stage to appoint an Emergency Manager in Flint.

November 6, 2012 – In a referendum, voters repeal Public Act 4 of 2011’s expansion of the Governor’s financial emergency powers.

December 26, 2012 – Governor Snyder signs a new law (Act 436 of 2012) reinstating much of the law that voters had just rejected. The new law is not eligible for voter referendum.

April 25, 2014 – The Emergency Manager switches Flint’s water source to the Flint River.

August 2014 – Flint water violates federal water quality standards for E. Coli and total coliform bacteria.

September 2014 – Flint water again violates federal water quality standards for coliform bacteria.

October 13, 2014 – General Motors stops using Flint water to make car parts, due to fear of the water’s corrosiveness.

October 2014 – Governor Snyder receives briefing about Flint water, and two top advisors recommend the city switch back to Detroit water. The state’s Department of Environmental Quality learns about a potential link between Flint water and deadly Legionnaires’ outbreak.

December 2014 – Flint water violates federal water quality standards for disinfectant byproducts, which are contaminants produced by using disinfectants like chlorine in some polluted waters.

January 2015 – State official warns against calling Flint water “safe” because of deadly outbreak of the Legionnaires’ disease.

February 17, 2015 – Governor Snyder sets up meeting with his top officials, and “Flint water” is on the agenda.

February 18, 2015 – First tests find very high levels of lead in the water at Leanne Walters home in Flint, despite pre-flushing before collecting the sample.

March 23, 2015 – Flint City Council votes to reconnect to Detroit water, but the Emergency Manager rejects their call saying, "Flint water today is safe by all (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency) and (Michigan Department of Environmental Quality) standards."

April 29, 2015 – Snyder ends emergency management in Flint and gives oversight of city finances to a Receivership Transition Advisory Board.

July 9, 2015 – The ACLU of Michigan reveals leaked EPA memo about high levels of lead in Flint water.

July 2015 – Snyder’s chief of staff is told that Flint pastors are concerned about lead in the water.

August 2015 – Snyder secretly arranges for Flint pastors to distribute 1,500 water filters, and his staff asked the pastors not to speak about the arrangement.

August 27, 2015 – Virginia Tech researchers release first batch of results showing high levels of lead in Flint water.

September 24, 2015 – Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha releases study finding nearly twice as many Flint children have high lead levels in their blood since the water switch.

September 25, 2015 – Michigan Department of Health and Human Services spokeswomen disputes Dr. Hanna-Attisha’s findings.

October 1, 2015 – County officials ask Snyder to declare a state of emergency in Flint.

October 8, 2015 – Governor Snyder announces plans to help reconnect Flint to Detroit water.

October 16, 2015 – Flint reconnects to Detroit water.

December 14, 2015 – Flint Mayor Karen Weaver declares State of Emergency.

January 5, 2016 – Hours after the U.S. Attorney’s Office confirmed a federal investigation into the Flint Water Crisis, Governor Snyder declares State of Emergency in Flint.

January 13, 2016 – The public is finally told about deadly outbreak of Legionnaires’ disease.

https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/in...governors-role
The governor had plenty of time to take names and kick tail. He didn't do it until his feet were firmly held to the fire. So, while he isn't entirely to blame by any stretch of the imagination, his leadership failure played a significant role.

As I said, both parties are ignoring issues with civil infrastructure that will become serious issues more and more as time passes. But money is hard to come by... and taxation isn't popular. Cutting corporate subsidies and tax breaks are highly unpopular because the corporate interests pulling the strings in both parties want to keep their profit margins... these corporations could care less if kids are drinking lead in their water. They have the money to settle out of court.

Last edited by Aquila; 08-30-2018 at 12:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-30-2018, 12:49 PM
n david n david is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 16,793
Re: Trouble at Detroit's schools

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
.
The Governor had nothing to do with city officials never bothering to upgrade the pipes.

"it eventually became clear that lead was leaching into the water supply from the city’s old pipes."

It doesn't matter that the water source was switched to the Flint River, the lead didn't come from the River, it came "from the city's old pipes."

All the other stuff is smoke and mirrors to try and distract people from the real issue -- that being Flint city officials allowed the pipes to decay and never properly upgraded them.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
It's not bad enough yet in Detroit Praxeas Political Talk 10 07-26-2013 05:41 PM
Detroit Bankruptcy Denied!! n david Fellowship Hall 6 07-19-2013 03:53 PM
We Are A Nation In Trouble - Big Trouble WNOP Falla39 Fellowship Hall 9 08-25-2010 07:14 PM
Detroit Mayor Locked Up Rico The Newsroom 13 08-08-2008 12:30 PM
A Prophecy About Detroit Michigan & More Thad Fellowship Hall 39 05-25-2007 09:18 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Esaias
- by n david
- by mfblume
- by Esaias

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.