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Old 03-29-2010, 10:49 AM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *

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They want these guys to lie and say they dont' have a TV and will preach and teach against it .... which they all mostly do ...

It breeds liars.
Bingo, can't build anything on a lie.
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Becoming a UPCI minister is like being at a closing ....

Sign here ... here ... here ... here ... here ... here .... here ... here and here.
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Becoming a UPCI minister is like being at closing ....

Sign here ... here ... here ... here ... here ... here .... here ... here and here.
Is the ALJC the same way ?
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I guess the "WeDeclare" crowd had somewhat of an impact.
A good observation .... but their statement on Holiness was not aligned to the manual.
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Is the ALJC the same way ?
Not sure ... don't think they do the affirmation thing.
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A good observation .... but their statement on Holiness was not aligned to the manual.
Not yet anyways.
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Not sure ... don't think they do the affirmation thing.
Thanks, I just wondered because they pretty much follow what the UPCI does.
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *

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The UPCI is a human institution that has drifted from God and is primarily about politics and money. The UPCI appears to hinder ministers from following their God given convictions by forcing all this human red tape on ministers. Most of the time it's a bid to control the local church. I firmly believe that the UPCI has become excessive in this area.
In my opinion, when the UPC was formed in 1945 it was a well-intentioned political move to promote unity among Oneness Pentecostals. There had been fellowship among many of the ministers when they were in separate organizations and they could now accomplish more for the Kingdom by uniting. Of course, some from both groups --PCI and PAJC-- felt like they were compromising or perhaps losing liberty and some did not join or separated shortly thereafter.

In my opinion, it is much like the experiments of the legendary Dr. Frankenstien. He meant well. He thought he could help humanity as he developed his creature. However, the creature soon took on a nature of its own and terrorized the populace. It became a monster, much like the huge political/religious monstrosity we know today as the UPC. It has destroyed many and strikes terror in the hearts of many more.

Some would see the development and growth of the labor unions in this same way.
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Does this mean the organization will for the first time have defined standards?
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Does this mean the organization will for the first time have defined standards?
Numbers 1:25 - every man had his own standard, yet they were united as a nation.
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