Ted Cruz Chairs Hearing Debate Radical Islam

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Ms. Farhana Y. Khera
President And Executive Director
Muslim Advocates
Oakland , CA


Oh man, punch him, Ted!! LOL! I had to add in what CSPAN refused to include in Ted Cruz's words to Dick Durbin.


CRUZ: SO MISS KHERA, I WILL NOTE I ASKED YOU NOW TWICE IF YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS THE VIEW THAT THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT WAS BIGOTED OR OFFENSIVE, TWICE YOU HAVE DECLINED TO ANSWER THAT PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD QUESTION. LET ME TRY A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

MISS KHERA: MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION PROPERLY, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE USE OF THE TERM IN GENERAL BY THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT, I DON'T THINK, IS PROBLEMATIC IN ITSELF. I THINK IT'S IN GENERAL AS OFFICIALS ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE THREAT IS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS.

CRUZ: IF IT WASN'T A CONCERN, THEN WHY WOULD IT BE PURGED FROM 126 DOWN TO ZERO, ZERO, ZERO, ZERO?

MISS KHERA: I CAN'T EXPLAIN THE ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION -- I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THESE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT DID THAT AND WHAT THEIR THINKING WAS.

CRUZ: THEY DID IT IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST CALLING FOR A PURGE.

MISS KHERA: WE ASKED FOR A PURGE OF BIGOTED TRAINING MATERIALS. THAT'S WHAT WE CALLED FOR.

CRUZ: LET ME TRY IT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. MARCH 16, 2015, THE LONG ISLAND PRESS QUOTED GLEN KATAN, THE LEGAL DIRECTOR FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION SAYING, "LIKE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT RADICALIZATION IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY? THAT'S NONSENSE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING." I'M CURIOUS, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE LEGAL DIRECTOR OF YOUR ORGANIZATION THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RADICALIZATION IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY?

MISS KHERA: THIS IS WHAT WE DO BELIEVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHAT WE BELIEVE, AND THIS IS BASED ON ATTACKS WE'VE SEEN IN OUR COUNTRY IN JUST THE LAST YEAR ALONE, WHETHER IT'S THE ORLANDO SHOOTING, THE ATTACK ON A WOMEN'S HEALTH CLINIC, THE CHURCH IN CHARLESTON, SBLG, WE KNOW EXTREMIST VIOLENCE TAKES MANY FORMS. PEOPLE MOTIVATED, REGARDLESS OF RACE, RELIGION OR IDEOLOGY. WHAT WE ALSO KNOW IS THAT THERE IS NO PATHWAY, SO TO SPEAK, TO GET TO THAT POINT OF ENGAGING IN VIOLENCE. WHAT THE NATIONAL SECURITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERTS SAY IS THAT THE COMMON THREAD YOU SEE IS VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SEEKING A SENSE OF PURPOSE. SO WE TOTALLY DISABUSE AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS CANARD THAT THERE IS SOMEHOW A PATHWAY TO RADICALIZATION. THAT'S WHAT NUMEROUS STUDIES HAVE SHOWN, AS WELL.

CRUZ: I WANT TO GIVE YOU ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DID. DO YOU AGREE WITH YOUR LEGAL DIRECTOR WHO SAID, QUOTE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RADICALIZATION IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY?

MISS KHERA: THERE ARE VIOLENT INDIVIDUALS IN ALL COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY, BUT --

CRUZ: IS IT CONNECTED TO ANY IDEOLOGY?

MISS KHERA: THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WHERE THERE IS IDEOLOGY THAT'S A PART, BUT NOT THE CENTER OR EVEN PART OF THE CENTER CAUSATION THAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IN VIOLENCE. IT'S EXPERTS LIKE MY COLLEAGUE MR. GERMAN AND LAW ENFORCEMENT NATIONAL EXPERTS WHO SAY THAT.

CRUZ: I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO YOU AGREE WITH THE LEGAL DIRECTOR, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RADICALIZATION IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY. I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THAT SENATOR DURBIN APPARENTLY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

SENATOR DURBIN: I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHOW THE COURTESY OF THIS WITNESS INSTEAD OF BADGERING HER.

CRUZ: THANK YOU.

Ted Cruz raises voice

CRUZ: NO, I WOULD LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION THAT SHOWS THE COURTESY OF THE VICTIMS OF RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM AND DOESN'T EDIT A 9/11 REPORT AND TO THE TERRORIST WHO ARE MURDERING 49 PEOPLE IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA AND PRETENDING A THREAT DOESN'T EXIST.

People in attendance clap loudly.

If you read the transcript, Mr. Philip Haney, Customs And Border Protection Officer (Ret.) U.S. Department of Homeland Security, testifies how the Administration "purged" information that would have helped stop what happened in San Diego and Orlando.

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Mr. Philip Haney, Customs And Border Protection Officer (Ret.) U.S. Department of Homeland Security - transcript at the 2:00 marker:

Jeff Sessions: THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH, COLLEAGUES. I WISH IT WERE NOT SO THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN FIND VERSES WITHIN THE KORAN THAT JUSTIFY VIOLENCE, AND WE CAN SAY IT'S NOT RELIGIOUS IF WE WANT TO, BUT THEY THINK IT IS. MR. HANEY, I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAID THAT SHARIA LAW, IS IT A PART OF THE KORAN ITSELF? IS A CALL TO SHARIA LAW A PART OF THE KORAN? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS.

HANEY: IT'S CALLED THE DEAN. THERE ARE SEVERAL NAMES FOR IT IN ARABIC. DEAN MEANS LAW AND/OR BELIEF OR RELIGION. SHARIA IS DERIVED FROM A COMBINATION OF THE KORAN ITSELF, THE HADDIF, SAYING OF MOHAMMED AND WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL TRADITION. ALL COMBINED TOGETHER INTO ONE, WHAT'S CALLED CONSENSUS. SO IT'S PARTIALLY KORANIC. IT IS THE GRAVITATIONAL FORCE THAT BRINGS ORDER TO THE UNIVERSE OF ISLAM. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT. SHARIA IS THE DRIVING FORCE OF THE GLOBAL ISLAMIC COMMUNITY, AND SIMULTANEOUSLY OF THE GLOBAL ISLAMIC MOVEMENT. WHAT WE SEE ARE EXPRESSIONS, ARE TACTICS, WAYS TO IMPLEMENT OR I SHOULD SAY WAYS TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF AN IMPLEMENTING SHARIA LAW. TACTICAL WAYS. ALL THE WAY IN A SPECTRUM FROM PROMOTION OR INVITATION TO JOIN ISLAM UP TO WHAT WE CALL JIHAD AND OTHER VERBS WHICH MEAN SLAUGHTER ON PUSH AWAY. THEY ARE MORE FREQUENT IN THE KORAN THAN JIHAD IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN HONEST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STRATEGIES AND TACTICS OF THE GLOBAL ISLAMIC MOVEMENTS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ADDRESS HONESTLY AND WITH COURAGE THE VERBS AND MEANINGS OF THE WORDS THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONSTANTLY TOLD TO IGNORE OR PURGE AWAY AND WHAT THEY ACTUALLY MEAN AND HOW THEY DRIVE THE INDIVIDUALS WE'VE SEEN.

Forgot to add the link: http://www.c-span.org/video/?411887-...errorism-fight

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Excellent point by Jeff Sessions:

SESSIONS: YOU ARE A VERY ACCOMPLISHED PROSECUTOR. I RECALL THE MANSON TRIAL, THEY PROVED THE IDEOLOGY, THE MOTIVATING FACTORS TO THE MANSON GROUP AND WHY THEY DID THE MURDERS. THAT'S WHAT YOU DID IN YOUR CASE, DID YOU NOT? YOU IDENTIFIED AND PROVED AS PART OF YOUR CASE THE MOTIVE BASED ON WHAT THEY INTERPRETED THEIR FAITH TO MEAN.

ANDREW McCARTHY: YEAH. I RESPECTFULLY FIND IT MIND BOGGLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN WHICH IT'S SUGGESTED THAT WE NEED TO TURN A BLIND EYE TO IDEOLOGY WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET INTO THE FOUR CORNERS OF A TRIAL ON MOST OF THE CHARGES THAT WE BRING, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY CONSPIRACY CASES IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE. THE VERY EVIDENCE THEY SAY WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT FOR PURPOSES OF THE INVESTIGATION IS THE EVIDENCE THAT THE PROSECUTOR HAS TO ADMIT AT THE TRIAL IN ORDER TO PROVE WILLFULNESS, IN ORDER TO PROVE INTENT AND IN ORDER TO PROVE KNOWLEDGE. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY SAYING THAT IN INVESTIGATING PEOPLE WHO MIGHT POTENTIALLY COMMIT THE TERRORIST ATTACK, WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUR EYES TO THEIR IDEOLOGY, BUT IF WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO INDICT THEM AT SOME POINT, AND WE GET THEM TO TRIAL, THEN WE CAN PUT INTO EVIDENCE ALL THE THINGS WE DIDN'T LOOK AT WHEN WE WERE INVESTIGATING. HOW CRAZY IS THAT?

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Mr. Philip Haney, Customs And Border Protection Officer (Ret.) U.S. Department of Homeland Security - 2:17

HANEY: AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO TOOK A VOW TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM THREAT, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THIS ICON OF THIS ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS A MAJOR GLOBAL LEVEL ORGANIZATION OPERATING IN THE UNITED STATES SAYS VERY PLAINLY IN ITS LOGO WHAT ITS INTENTION IS. IN ENGLISH IT SAYS ASSEMBLY OF MUSLIM JURISTS OF AMERICANS.

LINDSEY GRAHAM: AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO TOOK A VOW TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM THREAT, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THIS ICON OF THIS ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS A MAJOR GLOBAL LEVEL ORGANIZATION OPERATING IN THE UNITED STATES SAYS VERY PLAINLY IN ITS LOGO WHAT ITS INTENTION IS. IN ENGLISH IT SAYS ASSEMBLY OF MUSLIM JURISTS OF AMERICANS.

LINDSEY GRAHAM: YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION.

HANEY: WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THERE IS A CURRENT WITHIN THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES THAT CONFORM TO SHARIA LAW. WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT AREN'T THE TACTICS OF RADICAL ISLAM OR JIHAD.

Lindsey Graham cuts him off and moves on.

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TED CRUZ: THANK YOU, SENATOR GRAHAM. MR. McCARTHY. IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU TALKED ABOUT PEACEFUL MUSLIMS HERE IN AMERICA WHO WORKED WITH YOU AND WERE INTEGRAL IN HELPING TO PROSECUTE THE BLIND SHEIKH CASE. CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO THIS COMMITTEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MUSLIM FAITH AND ISLAMISM THAT EMBRACES VIOLENT JIHAD.

ANDREW McCARTHY: I THINK IT'S -- IT'S HARD TO DEFINE THE MUSLIM FAITH BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY DIVERGENT INTERPRETATIONS OF IT. IT'S EASY TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE CALL ISLAMISM OR I PREFER TO CALL SHARIA SUPREMECISM WHICH IS REALLY A RADICAL POLITICAL IDEOLOGY WITH A RELIGIOUS VENEER, NOT A RELIGION AS WE UNDERSTAND IT IN THE WEST. MY IMPRESSION LISTENING TO THE -- TO THE BACK AND FORTH TODAY IS THAT WE ARE UNDERESTIMATING HOW SERIOUS A PROBLEM IT IS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A HANDFUL OF RADICALS VERSUS EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS JUST EMBRACING THE WEST. I BROUGHT ALONG A WELL-KNOWN CLASSIC SHARIA MANUAL TODAY THAT I'LL SUPPLY WITH YOUR -- WITH THE COMMITTEE'S PERMISSION CALLED RELIANCE. TRAVELER WHICH IS AN ANCIENT AUTHORITATIVE MANUAL OF SHARIA LAW. I OPEN TO THE PAGE THAT SAYS JIHAD. JIHAD MEANS TO WAR AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS, AND IT EXPLAINS WHERE THE ETYMOLOGY OF IT IS DRAWN FROM. WE COULD GO THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT, WHETHER IT'S PENALTIES FOR APOSTACY, INEQUALITY AGAINST WOMEN, INEQUALITY AGAINST MUSLIMS AND SO FORTH. I THINK, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE REASON THIS IS RELEVANT IT'S NOT ANDY McCARTHY'S VIEW OF WHAT ISLAMISM IS. THIS IS A MANUAL THAT IN THE FRONT OF IT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO INCLUDE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE AL CZAR RESEARCH ACADEMY, BASICALLY THE SHARIA FACULTY AT THE SEAT OF SUNNI ISLAMIC LEARNING SINCE THE TENTH CENTURY. IT'S ALSO ENDORSED BY THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ISLAMIC THOUGHT WHICH IS THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD THINK TANK THAT'S BEEN OPERATING IN THE UNITED STATES, I BELIEVE, SINCE THE EARLY 1980s. THERE ARE OTHER ENDORSEMENTS AS WELL, BUT THE POINT IS THAT THIS POLITICAL IDEOLOGY WHICH IS RADICAL IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE IT IS WOULD -- IT WOULD SUPPLANT OUR CONSTITUTION SINCE ITS CORE TENETS ARE ANTITHETICAL TO OUR CONSTITUTION, SO TO ME THAT'S RADICAL, WHETHER YOU'RE -- YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANT TO BLOW UP A BRIDGE TO GET IT DONE OR NOT. IF YOU WANT TO SUPPLANT THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WITH A TOTALITARIAN LEGAL CODE AND SOCIETAL FRAMEWORK, THAT'S PRETTY RADICAL. THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BUY ON TO THIS TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER. SOME PERCENTAGE OF THEM WILL BECOME JIHADISTS. SOME LARGER PERCENTAGE OF THEM WILL CREATE ENCLAVES OR SAFE SPACES, I GUESS THAT'S THE -- THE POPULAR COMMON TERM, RIGHT? SAFE SPACES FOR THIS IDEOLOGY TO TAKE ROOT AND TO GROW, AND THE FORCIBLE COMMANDS IN IT AND THE BELLICOSE INTERPRETATION OF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PREACHED AND ENDORSED BY VERY INFLUENTIAL SCHOLARS IN THIS BELIEF SYSTEM. SO IT'S A SHAME THAT WE -- THAT IT HAS ENOUGH RELIGIOUS TENETS TO IT, THE ONENESS OF ALLAH, THE DUTY TO PRAY AND SO ON, THAT WE ALLOW IT TO CLOAK ITSELF IN THE GUISE OF RELIGION RATHER THAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS WHICH IS A TOTALITARIAN POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY, AN IDEOLOGY, BUT I THINK WE MAKE A BIG MISTAKE WHEN WE UNDERESTIMATE THE HOLD THAT IT HAS ON A GROUP AS BIG AT 1.6 BILLION PEOPLE.

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Around the 2:30 marker. Don't have time to clean this up.

Well, we can't forget and i'll go into some current imams. Anwar alauch which was-- awlaki and my time at cair sirrage wahaj consistently talks about the implementation of sharia law which is no different than the ideology of al qaeda or isis. Mean that reads their magazines, anyone that studies their ideology they are constantly quoting islamic law from the hadith s hadiths, from the koran. They are constantly quoting that. No different than the imams like imam sirrage wahaj. We have a problem that is much bigger than we're willing to suspect.

Cruz: When omar mateen called the 911, here's a portion of it. What is your name? May name is i pledge aliege as to aback bahardi. What is your name? I pledge allegiance to abu bahardi. That's what the tape recording showed. However, when the attorney general release it had, the words that were omitted were abu badr al balgdy of the islamic state and two sentences later, abu bakr al baghdadi and two seconds later the islamic state. What does it say to you that the department of justice is sanitizing and erasing the statement of who the orlando terrorist was pledging his allegiance to?

It means if we don't change course we can expect more tragedies like what happened in orlando.

[Esaias]

Ever notice how all these radical Muslim terrorists have connections to either the State dept, CIA, FBI, or DHS?

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Ever notice how all these radical Muslim terrorists have connections to either the State dept, CIA, FBI, or DHS?

We sponsor them. Weather indirectly or directly.

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I wish the voters had selected Cruz.
He would have been a remarkable POTUS.
Now, the scary part about these modern liberals is that they believe there way is the only way.
Classical liberals, such as Humphrey, O'Neill, even Kennedy, were willing to compromise so long as they could get something.
These today will not entertain the idea that they might possibly be wrong.