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06-02-2011, 11:43 AM
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Re: Teklemariam
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the two are very different.
Serpent Seed doctrine is the heresy that states Cain was born of a sexual relationship between Eve and the Serpent that tempted her in Gen. 3.
Divine Flesh teaches that Jesus had no DNA connection to Mary.
It should be noted that DF is very much part of the Ethiopan Coptic church. it was no Revalation to Tek. It was cultural ancient teaching. |
Right. Churches all around him in Ethiopia believe that. Bro Tekl. never got away from that "coptic orthodox" teaching.
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06-02-2011, 03:40 PM
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Re: Teklemariam
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Right. Churches all around him in Ethiopia believe that. Bro Tekl. never got away from that "coptic orthodox" teaching.
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Well, we all are shaped by our environment.
Look at the different doctrines we've brought into the Apostolic Faith from where we came from.
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06-02-2011, 03:45 PM
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Re: Teklemariam
So who ex-communicated who?
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06-02-2011, 03:47 PM
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Re: Teklemariam
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So who ex-communicated who?
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06-03-2011, 07:16 AM
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Re: Teklemariam
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Is the serpent seed doctrine and divine flesh doctrine the same thing ? Tekle from what ive been told was the type who always thought he got revelations that no one else got, all the way back to the beginning of his conversion to oneness, by bro and sis wendell (he was their first convert in ethiopia) i think he had believed this (by his revelation) for some time but no one ever said anything, until he wrote his book, then it all hit the fan.I think he is now supported by the trinitarians.Another brother has taken up the mantle, under much persecution and the oneness movement is flourshing under him from what ive heard.
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No, not really. "Serpent Seed" deals with the parentage (alleged parentage) of much of the human race. "Divine Flesh" deals with the question of where the human body of Jesus Christ (and only Jesus Christ) had come from.
"Divine Flesh" arises from the ancient Gnostic religions which were incorporated into a great deal of early Christianity. The "bad god" was "Jehovah" who had created this evil world filled with pain and woe. The "good god" was Jesus Christ who only appeared to have had a real human body (in Gnosticism). Since most of the Gnostic literature that survived from antiquity survived in the Ethiopian Coptic language (until the Nag Hammadi discovery) it's probably no surprise that the Ethiopians have been influenced by its legacy.
"Divine Flesh" simply adds a "divine human body" to the old Gnostic equation, but it seems to follow many other Gnostic themes in handling the Person of Jesus Christ. They have also dropped the dualism ("Jehovah is the bad god") that was carried on by other groups like the Bogomils and Cathari.
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06-03-2011, 08:17 AM
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Re: Teklemariam
Had to be some divine indluence in the creation of the flesh considering he had no human father.
Not one "divine flesh" propenent will deny he had a real physical fleshly body, not just appeared to have one.
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Re: Teklemariam
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Had to be some divine indluence in the creation of the flesh considering he had no human father.
Not one "divine flesh" propenent will deny he had a real physical fleshly body, not just appeared to have one.
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Parthenogenesis ("virgin" birth) occurs all the time in nature. Female sharks in aquariums are kept isolated from males to control the shark population but they will sometimes "spontaneously" become pregnant and give birth.
The occurrence of this phenomena in mammals has never been documented, that I am aware of, so if it did occur it would be so astronomically unlikely that it would be considered miraculous.
The mechanism is already in place and actually working in "lower" animals and we don't need "divine" explanations for why several shark pups appeared overnight at the public aquarium. Thus, we don't really need a "divine" explanation for the human flesh of Jesus Christ - just an explanation for its miraculous and unlikely appearance in history; and we've got that ( Matthew 1:20).
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09-29-2020, 04:52 PM
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Re: Teklemariam
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Parthenogenesis ("virgin" birth) occurs all the time in nature. Female sharks in aquariums are kept isolated from males to control the shark population but they will sometimes "spontaneously" become pregnant and give birth.
The occurrence of this phenomena in mammals has never been documented, that I am aware of, so if it did occur it would be so astronomically unlikely that it would be considered miraculous
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Arthur Custance:
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The Virgin Birth and the Incarnation
https://custance.org/Library/Volume5...roduction.html
No light is shed on the virgin birth of the Lord Jesus Christ by pointing to known cases of animal parthenogenesis induced by special techniques, because in mammals such offspring are always females and never males. The virgin birth of a male child is unaccountable, is in fact theoretically impossible. It must therefore have been a miracle.
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09-30-2020, 10:44 AM
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Re: Teklemariam
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the two are very different.
Serpent Seed doctrine is the heresy that states Cain was born of a sexual relationship between Eve and the Serpent that tempted her in Gen. 3.
Divine Flesh teaches that Jesus had no DNA connection to Mary.
It should be noted that DF is very much part of the Ethiopan Coptic church. it was no Revalation to Tek. It was cultural ancient teaching. |
Speaking of which there is a Oneness Pentecostal serpent seed doctrine church just 5 minutes from my house down the highway I live off of. Apparently the church started in California and forty or so years ago the pastor had a revelation that CA was about to fall off into the Pacific Ocean so moved his church and as many of the congregation as who would to Middle Tennessee. Base on the number of cars there on a Sunday I am guessing they run about 100-125 folks.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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09-30-2020, 11:20 AM
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Re: Teklemariam
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Speaking of which there is a Oneness Pentecostal serpent seed doctrine church just 5 minutes from my house down the highway I live off of. Apparently the church started in California and forty or so years ago the pastor had a revelation that CA was about to fall off into the Pacific Ocean so moved his church and as many of the congregation as who would to Middle Tennessee. Base on the number of cars there on a Sunday I am guessing they run about 100-125 folks.
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