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Old 11-15-2014, 08:27 PM
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Oh WAKE UP people!!

Do you REALLY believe we didn't understand our own Constitution for almost 200 years until a 1962 Supreme Court told us what it REALLY meant and declared prayer in public schools to be illegal? Do you??

Even if you see no value in prayer in public schools you should still be outraged that 9 judges stole a right from the sovereign States.

But you just sit there and take it!! You think you have no recourse. Do you really believe that these 9 judges know better how to interpret the Constitution than those who actually wrote it?? Or have you believed the lie that the Constitution is a "living breathing document" that can be interpreted to fit changing times?

Do you really believe that gays have a right to marry under the 14th Amendment? Why did it take us 160 years to figure that out?

Do you really believe that States requiring photo ID's to vote is unconstitutional?

Do you really believe that States denying welfare to illegal aliens is unconstitutional?

Right now the City of San Francisco allows public nudity. Groups are suing right now to allow this right nation wide under the 14th amendment. Do you really believe that the 14th Amendment protects such a thing?

We sit by year after year and take this garbage from liberal courts and WHY? Where are the governors who will simply ignore these rulings and dare the Federal Government to do anything about it? If just ONE brave governor would take a stand you would see literally tens of thousands of patriots flocking to his side preventing Federal marshals from intervening or arresting such a governor.

These judges are no longer interpreting the Constitution. Rather they are legislating from the bench and using their positions to actually undermine the Constitution. We DO NOT have to take this!!

We do not have to bow to a lawless President and we do not have to obey lawless judges. But if you think any of this can be resolved without civil disobedience you are dreaming. These judges are going to have to be scared off the bench. They are going to have to see angry mobs surrounding their offices and homes. They are going to have to see the fury of the American people starring them right in the eye. NO I am NOT even remotely hinting and doing what Timothy McVeigh did. I'm talking about doing what our colonial ancestors did.
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Old 11-15-2014, 11:30 PM
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Re: Oh WAKE UP people!!

Preach it!
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Old 11-16-2014, 01:13 AM
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Re: Oh WAKE UP people!!

No argument from me at all on this. There is even precedent for such actions. Did not Andrew Jackson ignore the dictate of Chief Justice Marshall in the matter of removing the Five Civilized Tribes over the Mississippi River? I am certain that there are other instances, but this is the one I am best aquainted with.
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Old 11-16-2014, 06:30 AM
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No argument from me at all on this. There is even precedent for such actions. Did not Andrew Jackson ignore the dictate of Chief Justice Marshall in the matter of removing the Five Civilized Tribes over the Mississippi River? I am certain that there are other instances, but this is the one I am best aquainted with.
Amen. If we do not start disobeying, there will be no end to what they will impose upon the States by misuse of the 14th Amendment.
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Old 11-16-2014, 09:04 AM
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Ok what bugs me about the tone here is it suggests an MO that draws a believer into "the world."
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Old 11-16-2014, 10:45 AM
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Why would you legislate morality to sinners? Will it change their hearts? Are we to be a light to the world, or make the world a light?
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Old 11-16-2014, 10:57 AM
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Re: Oh WAKE UP people!!

Isn't Our Lord over human government? He sets kings up and sets them down. He rules in the kingdom of men.

Doesn't God appoint secular rulers?

Dan 2:21. And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:


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22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

For me as long as government doesn't make us go against Our Lord's will we are only instructed to pray for them.

There is spiritual abuse and murder in the church. May we clean our own house.




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Old 11-16-2014, 10:58 AM
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Why would you legislate morality to sinners? Will it change their hearts? Are we to be a light to the world, or make the world a light?
Actually, who else are you going to be legislating morality for? Is not the law for those who are lawless? If we were a nation of Christians, there would not need to be so many laws governing our behaviors as we would all be obedient to Christ, and thus not needing the constraint of the legal system.

But the law is for those who will not restrain themselves or their sundry passions and desires. It is for the sinner, who does wickedly before the Lord, that they may have a recompense, and that they may fear, if not the wrath of God then the penalty that will be exacted by men.
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Old 11-16-2014, 12:19 PM
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Christianity was rocking along great until they gained influence and control in/over the government (Constantine). Then they became the same or worse as what was before. Let Caesar handle Caesar and let us Christians handle the matters of the heart to those to choose to be a part of us as we shine our light.
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Old 11-16-2014, 12:48 PM
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Christianity was rocking along great until they gained influence and control in/over the government (Constantine). Then they became the same or worse as what was before. Let Caesar handle Caesar and let us Christians handle the matters of the heart to those to choose to be a part of us as we shine our light.
Ah--now perhaps we might be able to begin a discussion on how we got the doctrine of Original Sin, from the era of Constantine.
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