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Old 11-14-2019, 06:34 PM
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Re: Can/Should Christians Be Democrats?

Needless wars, such as the war in Iraq, have nothing to do with self defense.
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This is a very complicated issue. I have close friends that I have much respect for, that are pretty liberal. They are liberal for the right reasons.

On the other hand, I am pretty solidly conservative. Both positions can be supported by scripture in certain instances, depending on the subject. For instance...
Capital punishment would be considered a conservative tenet by the majority of people. It is certainly supported by scripture. On the other hand, support for the poor and disadvantaged would be considered by most to be a liberal agenda. It also has much support found in scripture. So it is not the dichotomy that we like to believe it is.

For me however, the division occurs with abortion. I can’t support taking the life of “the least of these”. So I vote accordingly. But I am under no misguided belief that my vote is a perfect expression of my Christian principles. I merely attempt to do the best I can. Until I am offered a better choice.
Support for the poor is NOT.a "liberal" thing. Conservatives routinely give more for charitable causes than liberals. Liberal "support for the poor" is code for more taxes, welfare, and bloated bureaucracy. The liberal wants charity and alms to be a mandated goverment program rather than a personal act of charity and almsgiving.

Meanwhile, modern liberals are full blown bolshevik communists and so called conservatives are Trotskyite communists. Two wings on the same filthy bird. Bird poop is bird poop, whether it's from a pidgeon or a woodpecker.
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Generally I would like to add that it is my opinion that Democrats are moving towards socialism. I think a lot of Democrats are creatures of habit, much like most of us. They vote Democrat out of habit. Meanwhile the party has abandoned them, but they make excuses for the party and believe that it is a temporary shift.

I think conservatives do the same. We shouldn’t excuse the shortcomings of our party. Trump tells a lot of lies. I don’t like it, but the facts are pretty clear. So I vote for a liar. Because I don’t want to vote for abortion. But I don’t pretend that it is a perfect choice.

I could have the attitude that since Trump has faults, that I will not vote at all, but somehow this seems to be an even worse choice.
Democrats are communists, slowly coming out of the closet.

Wait till the Trotskyite republicans do the same, they aren't far behind.

Pretty much all political parties in the West are socialist, and have been since at least the early decades of the 20th century. The big three were International Socialism (communism), National Socialism (nazism, fascism), and Fabian Socialism (democracy, democratic socialism). Kind of like Eastasia, Eurasia, and Oceania...
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Needless wars, such as the war in Iraq, have nothing to do with self defense.
The war in Iraq, and everywhere else, are for the purpose of maintaining hegemony.
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Needless wars, such as the war in Iraq, have nothing to do with self defense.
Nice deflection.

Regardless of the reason for the call to war and whether or not we agree with that call, it is always self-defense for the soldier who is commanded to go.

So, do you equate abortion with self-defense?
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This is a very complicated issue. I have close friends that I have much respect for, that are pretty liberal. They are liberal for the right reasons.

On the other hand, I am pretty solidly conservative. Both positions can be supported by scripture in certain instances, depending on the subject. For instance...
Capital punishment would be considered a conservative tenet by the majority of people. It is certainly supported by scripture. On the other hand, support for the poor and disadvantaged would be considered by most to be a liberal agenda. It also has much support found in scripture. So it is not the dichotomy that we like to believe it is.

For me however, the division occurs with abortion. I can’t support taking the life of “the least of these”. So I vote accordingly. But I am under no misguided belief that my vote is a perfect expression of my Christian principles. I merely attempt to do the best I can. Until I am offered a better choice.
Obviously, a lot of this is a matter of opinion, yet there is something you brought up that I feel is worth mentioning. You mentioned “Capital Punishment” through the Old Testament it was supported, yet Jesus made mention of that in Matthew 5:38-44, the world has there laws and if they want to kill people for their deeds, that’s up to the state or the feds. Yet, within the church, were told not to commit murder, its no longer an eye for an eye, yet its love your enemies. We shouldn’t support death, we (i.e The Church) should support and preach mercy and forgiveness! The Bible says “The Meek shall inherit the earth.” That’s another reason why it baffles me to see “Christians” finding the need to Carry their weapons to church? They have more faith in that weapon then they do in the name of Jesus. Sorry about the rant, I get off on one subject and it turns into another.
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Support for the poor is NOT.a "liberal" thing. Conservatives routinely give more for charitable causes than liberals. Liberal "support for the poor" is code for more taxes, welfare, and bloated bureaucracy. The liberal wants charity and alms to be a mandated goverment program rather than a personal act of charity and almsgiving.

Meanwhile, modern liberals are full blown bolshevik communists and so called conservatives are Trotskyite communists. Two wings on the same filthy bird. [Bird poop is bird poop] whether it's from a pidgeon or a woodpecker.
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Needless wars kill citizens just like abortion does. Both policies kill by the thousands.

Both parties have blood on their hands. Neither is innocent.
Scott, while it is true that both policies kill by the thousands, it is also true that one policy in particular kills by the millions. They are not the same. One is killing primarily people who would likely kill you first, if given the chance, the other is killing someone who has no defense at all.

I’m not defending needless killing. But ...

Honest question:

Which policy kills more?
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