Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I never heard that a virus was going to “wipe out half the planet”.

You must have been asleep through the 80s.

This is what I do know:

MERS killed 35% of everyone it infected. It was like the death angel itself. That one I remember because we had outbreaks every spring.
SARS killed 10%
COV-19? Looks like it’s running 1-2%, with some outliers but that’s global average.

So why no lockdowns and quarantines and mask mandates and toilet paper runs with MERS or SARS? 1-2%? What's the fatality rate for tuberculosis? Malaria?

How can you not see the demanded social response to the current situation is out of proportion to previous epidemics?

That’s not a “planet wipeout” but it is a very, very large number of graves

Then why aren't we on a global crusade regarding cancer or diabetes like we are with this one? Cancer knocks off about what, 1 out of every 2 or 3 people in the developed world? If response was proportional to claimed threat, then either we wouldn't even be hearing about COVID or we'd be in a global society dedicated to nothing but eradicating cancer by any means necessary, period.

12 weeks of this would have been all it would take. No shutdowns. Not even much of a slowdown. Masks and distancing.

Explain Sweden.

At 200,000 and counting by the way deliberately spreading is to me no different from deliberately killing.

How many people has "government" deliberately killed? Are you this up in arms about government? What about alcohol? I know as a Muslim you are in favor of temperance/prohibition but are you this adamant about it as you are with coronaflu?

About that 200,000...

Hospitals have already been caught reporting "COVID deaths" that simply were not. The state of Ohio is being sued, in part over the claimed fatality rate. People dying of alcohol poisoning have been listed as "died from COVID". 94% of COVID deaths are actually "died WITH" and NOT "died FROM". The CDC coding allows all sorts of people to be listed as dead from COVID who have no business being listed as such. There is BIG $$$ to be made, not to mention political points.

There are no 200,000 "dead from COVID".

[Esaias]

Recently, Dr. Ioannidis, who has arguably emerged as the world’s leading expert on the SARS-CoV-2 IFR,
published a pre-print in which he critically reviews 43 IFR estimates from 36 antibody serology studies,
including his own study on Santa Clara County, CA. In the article, Dr. Ioannidis, for a variety of reasons,
cautions against doing a meta-analysis on the IFR data and deriving a single best IFR estimate and
instead opts for a more nuanced approach to data analysis, ultimately recommending the median pIFR
as the best indicator of central tendency. Across 32 locations, Dr. Ioannidis finds median raw and
corrected pIFR values of 0.27% and 0.24%, respectively. Dr. Ioannidis also provides pIFR results for 7
countries that have been reported in the media or in preliminary reports which yield median raw and
corrected pIFR values of 0.15% and 0.12%, respectively.
Included in Dr. Ioannidis’ review is the CDC’s first official pIFR estimate of 0.26%, an estimate that is
based on official CDC serology data and that can be readily calculated from officially reported CDC
estimates for the population symptomatic case fatality rate (psCFR) (0.4%) and asymptomatic infection
rate (35%) (0.26% = 0.4% x 0.65%). Importantly, the CDC’s pIFR estimate for SARS-CoV-2 is in excellent
agreement with the median corrected pIFR (0.18%) and crude mean corrected pIFR (0.35%) calculated
from the 8 non-CDC pIFR studies on US states and cities reviewed by Dr. Ioannidis. For context,
according to CDC data, the seasonal flu of 2010/2011 had a psCFR ≈ 0.18% which, assuming a 35%
asymptomatic infection rate, implies a seasonal flu pIFR of ≈ 0.12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...f_Joseph_Audie

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Not surprised you think so. Banning truth goes back hundreds of yours with your lot. Galileo himself faced execution LOL

Work on your grammar. It comes across as backwards.

You suggested someone be taken out by a hit man. Yeah. You need to go away.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

On this one? The tedious effort of obtaining and comparing state (Texas) and national total deaths, all causes, no codes or bias, resulted in a 2020 vs 2019 difference from Feb 1 to Aug of 200,000. So nationally ~200,000 more people died. That number, ~200,000, coming from just a comparison of 2020 vs 2019, is more than the site that tracks the accumulated COV deaths. In fact, that site was was reporting 192,000 and the raw data all cause death difference was 27 weeks x 62649 per week (2020) minus 55,288 per week (2019) or 198,747. It was very, very closely aligned but actual was just slightly higher than the sum total of state/county deaths that are reported as COVId related.

These guys attribute 6,000 of these to COVID. Silence on the 194,000 others. Unexplainable, but assuredly not cannot be absolutely not COVID.

What kind of logic is that? “COVID and pneumonia” gets excluded. “COVID and organ failure” gets excluded. “COVID and stroke” gets excluded. “COVID and heart failure” gets excluded and the conclusion becomes “hey look nobody died of just COVID” so “COVID is safe to spread around!”. Followed by “We exposed the deep state”!!!!

The thinking process behind the development of that convoluted logic is astounding. Hence the probably inappropriately coined term “wingnut”.

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

No need for HCQ or any other treatment if people aren’t spreading it.

I was interested in when the spikes happened - so

Did the same look week by week for our state.

We were locked down until May 19th, we opened with local governments prohibited from enforcing masks or mask rules.

Our hospitals were full by the first week of July. Mandatory masks in public were ordered July 3rd.

Spikes (Texas) were June and July and it looks like they were falling in August.

Total deaths - state

2019 Jan-mid August: 130,403
2020 Jan-mid August: 150,254

Average weekly - state

2019 average: 3952 per week
2020 average: 4553 per week

Peak weeks: 7/18 6102, 7/25 6108 (156% of 2019 weekly average)

Posted the link to the data for all states, all weeks, both years in another thread, it’s CDC total deaths all causes provisional 2019-2020. It’s about 6 weeks behind, have to be careful with the last few weeks, I stopped mid August.

Deaths are up. Significantly up. For some reason. In our state, they were elevated most of the year, but the big spike was late July about 2-3 weeks after the hospitalization spike.

I dont have any reason to believe COV deaths are being exaggerated, the COV “reported deaths” are lower than this “all cause” increase in raw unclassified/uncoded numbers.

What else but COVID. If related to lockdown/stay at home I would expect March and April and May to spike, not June, July after stay at home was lifted and we went to Phase II

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

Don't forget the Ivermectin protocol, too.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Don't forget the Ivermectin protocol, too.

And the Zelenko protocol I think has alternatives to HCQ.

It is helpful to understand that these protocols really have nothing to do with the invisible, phantom so-called virus, even if they are written up in virus language in a paper.

They simply help expedite blood-oxygen transmission. (My understanding, so far.) The root causes can be toxic buildup from poor diet, radiation, 5G, or any combination of factors.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

wii - I do agree that we should be able to determine the "true" deaths by looking at the overall death rates for period comparison.
What has to be factored in, is the spike in death rates caused by the lockdowns, which resulted in people not wanting to visit doctors or hospitals.
Also, by medical personnel who stopped working because of their fear (and yes I know of several cases of this).
Other factors would include the rise in the number of suicides and the theoretical decrease of auto accident deaths, due to fewer miles being driven.
A HUGE factor would be the refusal of many in the medical establishment to use HCQ for preventative or early diagnosis treatment.
How many did that kill?
Waiting for a study to come out that looks at all these, but that will be a couple of years from now.

Remember, there were active murder machines in use, the ventilator abuse. Wrong treatment for the wrong ailment (blood-oxygen transmission, not pneumonia) at the wrong timing (people able to breathe and talk well) ... all because it was the protocol.

This is one reason Denis Rancourt, in studying the all-cause-mortality numbers, talks of homicide. "Mass homicide by government response."

They will not give you the numbers murdered with this protocol. However we do know that in the NYC area 80-90% of those treated in this improper way died.

Many thousands. Maybe 10s of thousands.

One hero .. Cameron Kyle-Sidell. Spoke up on this in April, likely saved thousands of lives. Lost his privileges in covid ward and was sent down to ER.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by james34

Bro Spell is doing the right thing. How come no one is concerned for the BLM riots spreading the disease among themselves(the most vulnerable of the minority groups)to Covid.

Neither one will spread supposed covid cases.

The BLM-Antifa riots should be countered because they are leftist destruction.
They have not caused any disease transmission.

Masks, anti-social distancing, lockdowns, all petty fascist control, nothing to do with health.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Search it... he did not say it and even clarified what he said. He believes the virus is real. He just thinks the hysteria is politically motivated. And so do I when they close down a whole country for under 700 deaths.

Well, time will tell. It’s interesting reading some of these posts with the advantage of hindsight.