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Old 11-20-2017, 11:27 AM
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His NAME is Jesus

Correct me if I'm wrong.
"Salvific doctrine/Commandment" means a word pertaining to salvation.

I submit that it is the gospel that does save us; while sound doctrine, on the
other hand, keeps one saved as one obeys.
2 Thes 2:3, directly supports the previous verse, and v.2, is definitely salvific in nature: it represents a soul who could be lost, who does not heed its warning!
One cannot get much more "salvific" than that.

Brother Villa
V2: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

I don't see anything in this verse which you posted above: "it represents a soul who could be lost, who does not heed its warning!"

Again, as I previously posted, 2 Thes 2:1-3 is Paul simply telling his readers "I'm imploring you [begging you] not to be troubled or afraid of those who put a date to the coming of Christ. Don't fall for or be fooled by this, even if it comes in a letter from us."

There's nothing in V2 stating a soul will be lost for not heeding Paul's advice in V3.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:12 AM
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His NAME is Jesus!

"Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, 'When I
bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts,
and set him for their watchman: If when he sees the sword come upon the land,
he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever hears the sound of the
trumpet, and takes not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood
shall be upon his own head'."


Tell me, people: would you say that the aforementioned scripture was not "salvific"
for its time? Of course it was! And so are the warnings of the apostles and prophets
of the Lord, FOR OUR TIME!

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Old 03-14-2018, 03:45 PM
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I hope you can find an org that is post trib. I only know of three post trib Apostolic Assemblies.
No way! Is this model that rare?
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Old 03-14-2018, 05:36 PM
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No way! Is this model that rare?
Well since then I have met another one in Lexington KY. The Pastor there told me there are a lot of post trib UPC Churches. He says they have been persuaded to believe in post trib by listening to Brother Irvin Baxter. Having said that he has yet to name any of these Churches.
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Old 03-15-2018, 12:41 AM
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Well since then I have met another one in Lexington KY. The Pastor there told me there are a lot of post trib UPC Churches. He says they have been persuaded to believe in post trib by listening to Brother Irvin Baxter. Having said that he has yet to name any of these Churches.
In my time in the UPC, I'd say that while there are a lot of pre trib churches with pre trib pastors, there are also quite a few post trib members. Also, EVERY single UPC church I've been a member of except maybe one had a pastor who said they weren't 100% certain either way. Some of them leaned post trib, but didn't want to offend the pretribbers in the congregation.

Among independents, the ones I've known were mostly post trib.

So, there's a lot of post trib believers, although the church leadership tends to be officially pre trib more often than not, for some reason. Post trib usually doesn't garner big crowds paying big tithes. Might be because post tribbers are spending all their money on stockpiling food and other tribulation preps? lol j/k
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I don't know many churches where they hold any eschatology viewpoint as official doctrine of the local church, except that they are pre-millennial. I have not seen any lines of fellowship drawn over eschatology, either. All of my dealings in the churches have been with pre-millennialists, however.
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His NAME is Jesus!

Fellowship: having the same beliefs, goals and desires.
Do all "believers" really have the same beliefs, goals and desires?

Strong's concordance: "communion, joint participation, intercourse."

To Them That Believe in the Gospel That Saves:
We must, firstly, make a distinction between any organization/denomination, and
the adherents to such. For the Lord is calling out from among all the nations and
tongues "...to take out of them a people for his NAME." So we must be assured in
ourselves, therefore, that we not only believe the gospel that saves, but we must
also KNOW the gospel to be able to impart it. Now this:
If you do not know the three principal witnesses to the gospel that saves (not just
Acts 3:28), then all you will be doing is inviting them to your own particular brand
of denomination, but not truly to "...the LAMB of God that takes away the sin of
the world."
Goals and desires are well and good; however (!!!), it is our BELIEF in
the gospel that saves that is of the uttermost importance.

I have discovered that many denominations are better versed and prepared in their
doctrine, than many of our apostolic/pentecostals are in ours: "...for the children of
this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."


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His NAME is Jesus!

Fellowship: having the same beliefs, goals and desires.
Do all "believers" really have the same beliefs, goals and desires?

Strong's concordance: "communion, joint participation, intercourse."

To Them That Believe in the Gospel That Saves:
We must, firstly, make a distinction between any organization/denomination, and
the adherents to such. For the Lord is calling out from among all the nations and
tongues "...to take out of them a people for his NAME." So we must be assured in
ourselves, therefore, that we not only believe the gospel that saves, but we must
also KNOW the gospel to be able to impart it. Now this:
If you do not know the three principal witnesses to the gospel that saves (not just
Acts 3:28), then all you will be doing is inviting them to your own particular brand
of denomination, but not truly to "...the LAMB of God that takes away the sin of
the world."
Goals and desires are well and good; however (!!!), it is our BELIEF in
the gospel that saves that is of the uttermost importance.

I have discovered that many denominations are better versed and prepared in their
doctrine, than many of our apostolic/pentecostals are in ours: "...for the children of
this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."


Brother Villa
What are those "three witnesses to the Gospel"? Do you mean the water, Spirit, and the blood? The Father, the Word, and the Spirit? Or something else?
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What are those "three witnesses to the Gospel"? Do you mean the water, Spirit,
and the blood? The Father, the Word, and the Spirit? Or something else?
I like your honest questions.

They are (last to first):
Apostle Paul: 1 Cor 15:1-4;
Apostle Peter: Acts 2:32-41;
Lord Jesus: Mark 16:15-18.

THEY PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL!

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I like your honest questions.

They are (last to first):
Apostle Paul: 1 Cor 15:1-4;
Apostle Peter: Acts 2:32-41;
Lord Jesus: Mark 16:15-18.

THEY PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL!

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