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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If someone can prove that they are descendants of slaves, I can see some form of reparations made. But there should be solid evidence that they are indeed descendants of slaves.

This poster posts things just to get a reaction.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Interesting, what are they currently?

Multifaceted post. He didn't say they weren't, necessarily. He could have meant at that time they were (or not).

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Interesting, what are they currently?

I didn't mean to say that they "were Reformed Jews" as in they are now another religion. I meant to indicate that I'm no longer a part of that family. They still are Reformed Jews.

They were good people. Wait, I'm sure that they still are. Sorry, I know this can be confusing. lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I didn't mean to say that they "were Reformed Jews" as in they are now another religion. I meant to indicate that I'm no longer a part of that family. They still are Reformed Jews.

They were good people. Wait, I'm sure that they still are. Sorry, I know this can be confusing. lol

Bro, things become confusing when you aren't clear. Your sentence stated that they "were" Reformed Jews. Which would indicate they were no longer Reformed Jews. Do you understand then why I asked my question?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, things become confusing when you aren't clear. Your sentence stated that they "were" Reformed Jews. Which would indicate they were no longer Reformed Jews. Do you understand then why I asked my question?

Yes, I can. And I appreciate you asking to clarify and not insisting that they are no longer Jewish and arguing with me for five days over it. lol

They were good people. Oh, wait. Still are. lol You know what I mean!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, I can. And I appreciate you asking to clarify and not insisting that they are no longer Jewish and arguing with me for five days over it. lol

They were good people. Oh, wait. Still are. lol You know what I mean!

Arguing with you for five days? If we go pages and pages with you it is because you aren't clear, you say something along the lines like this, "I never said that they weren't actually religious Jews, but reformed in a multifaceted way, which is my current understanding of Jews, and the definitions of the word Reformed as it correlates to any religious society."

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Arguing with you for five days? If we go pages and pages with you it is because you aren't clear, you say something along the lines like this, "I never said that they weren't actually religious Jews, but reformed in a multifaceted way, which is my current understanding of Jews, and the definitions of the word Reformed as it correlates to any religious society."

"to me, Reformed, Orthodox, Reconstructionist, Conservative, Hasidic, ABCs & 123s, it makes no difference."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Watch the whole thing, this man speaks the truth:

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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Arguing with you for five days? If we go pages and pages with you it is because you aren't clear, you say something along the lines like this, "I never said that they weren't actually religious Jews, but reformed in a multifaceted way, which is my current understanding of Jews, and the definitions of the word Reformed as it correlates to any religious society."

There might be times when I'm not clear. However, there is no need to become mean spirited, insulting, degrading, or condemnatory over it.

Imagine if someone prejudged you, assuming the worst regarding your every motivation, statement, or action you took. You could say something as simple as, "I love you.", and they would turn the statement into something it was never meant to mean. I feel that you do this to me and others quite a bit. While we all may not agree on every point, we should assume the best about our brethren.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

"to me, Reformed, Orthodox, Reconstructionist, Conservative, Hasidic, ABCs & 123s, it makes no difference."

But do you understand what I meant by the statement you're parodying?

I meant that to me, those are all human institutions full of both good and bad people. If I mention that someone doing wrong is UPCI, I think it is silly if someone assumes that I think that everyone in the UPCI is bad. From my perspective, I see people rush to defend these human organizations almost as though they are sacrosanct. To me, it boarders on idolatry. I think these human organizations are just franchises of like minded individuals that will come and go. I don't see them as eternal. Nor do I see them as anything that will even be noted with any significance in eternity. If I point out that someone is UPCI, ALJC, PAW, or whatever... I'm only trying to point out that they are not on the fringe of what we might identify as being "Apostolic". Of course, context might be to warn of behaviors among us Apostolics that are becoming too common. Or, it might be to point out that good men are still solidly Apostolic.

I felt like when I mentioned that the "porno pastor" (as EB called him) was UPCI, y'all kinda lost your minds assuming that I was slamming the UPCI. What I expected, or would have liked to see, was some who are UPCI or who associate themselves with the UPCI in some way, actually agree that the man's statements were over the top and maybe examine more closely with me if political hero worship is indeed causing a growing trend in lowering standards of conduct.

And as I've said, "multifaceted".... everything I've said so far is one facet of the topic as I see it. The other is... my statement was just a response to Amanah. I didn't expect it to go much further at all. I believe one poster called it a "throw away comment". And frankly, I expected it to be, unless Amanah wanted to discuss it. But I was raked over the coals for 20 pages! LOL

Oh well.