Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The D.A.'s Office
Facebook

Notices

The D.A.'s Office The views expressed in this forum are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of AFF or the Admin of AFF.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:38 AM
SDG SDG is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H-Town, Texas
Posts: 18,009
**** Are the NCO and AWCF "raiding" the UPCI or providing a "safety net"? ****

Prior to the UPCI debating resolution 6 on the floor of General Conference, in Columbus, Ohio, in the fall of 2006 .... Kenneth Philips, Jonathon Suber and Wendell Hutchins began a partnership that resulted in the formation of a loose ministerial fellowship called the New Church Order. The NCO website was launched and called for an new era of post-denominationalism and end to exclusionary fellowship & organizational politics. The NCO also has be been advocating technology as an important tool to evangelizing the entire world.

By the winter’s end, they claimed close to 1000 members and had launched an internet-based television and webcasting venture called Acts 29 TV. The NCO has also effectively used email and blogs to communicate their agenda and group interactions.


Ministers nation-wide, from various organizations, and independents, have joined the NCO, including many UPCI ministers.
Some UPCI ministers who have not been shy about their cooperation w/ the NCO are Randy Hollis, Kentucky … Joe Hunt, CA … Anthony Langston, New Jersey … and Glenn Purvis, Georgia.

There are unconfirmed rumors that the NCO is aggressively recruiting present and former UPCI ministers behind the scenes. While some supporters of the NCO see the fellowship is providing a voice and viable option.

Meanwhile, the leaders of NCO have also joined an existing, more established, ministerial fellowship called the AWCF, a fellowship claiming a constituency of more than 180 organizations, 20,000 minister and 5 million believers world-wide.

In the fall of 2006, the AWCF and their presiding Bishop S. Smith welcomed Bishop Phillips, Suber, Hutchin and Tekelemarian with much fan-fare. These new members admission was splattered on the homepage of AWCF’s website, www.awcf.org.

One of the NCO leaders told this poster that the reason for his decision to join the AWCF was because he felt that ministerial accountability is vital.

Since then, there has been increased cooperation between Bishop Smith’s AWCF and the triumvirate leading the NCO. Smith has spoken at NCO events and the NCO leaders began speaking on the AWCF circuit. The AWCF’s bishop also partially funded Suber’s recent missions trip to Africa.

In May of this year, Suber, Huthins and Philips were featured keynote speakers at the AWCF’s 2007 World Congress. The 36th Annual World Congress was held May 2nd, 3rd & 4th, 2007 at the Centre in Evansville, Indiana USA .

Bishop Phillips stirring message to the AWCF Congress on Thursday, May 3rd, has apparently made him the new darling of the AWCF.

I encourage you to listen to the last ten minutes of his message here.
http://www.awcf.org/media-archives.html

During the last 10 minutes of Phillips message to the AWCF members he passionately and convincingly made arguments about how technology mediums are a God-ordained gift to this generation, as they were to the 1st century church, to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world.

He also said that in prayer God had revealed to him that he should join the AWCF. Phillips also stated that he had been waiting for over 30 years for a fellowship like the AWCF that was willing to embrace technology and is evangelism-focused.

He also publicly announced his submission to the authority of the AWCF’s presiding bishop and its other bishops. He asked them to instruct him as to what they wanted him to do.

[I will transcribe some of his remarks from Phillip's message later.]

Hutchins and Suber followed on Thursday. Suber, interestingly entitled his revival-style message “Welcome to the Revolution’, a popular mantra within the NCO. You can access both of their messages to the AWCF Congress here -
http://www.awcf.org/media-archives.html

Enter the summer of 2007.
[ *** we are only weeks away from the UPCI’s General Conference in which the “technology issue” is on everyone’s mind]

Recently, both the NCO and AWCF have published an article on their websites written by a UPCI minister called Randy Hollis entitled “The Emancipation of Issaac”.

You can read the article here. There is a thread discussing it's contents here.

The Hollis article is critical of what he describes as a “falling away” within the Apostolic movement which he attributes to the legalism of ultraconservative ministers. Hollis, on his website, randyhollis.com, has brought attention to the TV debate and his reservations about the present direction of his organization. He asserts that his fellowship's present decision making process is "rules-based' and not "principle-based".

Here are the questions I have:

1. Have the NCO and AWCF been opportunistic in taking advantage of the internal struggles within the UPCI. Are they “raiding” the org or are they providing a “safety net” for disgruntled moderate to liberal ministers within the org?

2. Why are these organizations posting such an article on their websites? Are they using the current state of discontent within the UPC to their favor? Isn't this a very aggressive move on their part?

3. Does anyone have information to corroborate the unconfirmed rumors that the NCO and or the AWCF are being aggressive in recruiting or in offering a safety net?

4. What if Bishop Phillips became the presiding Bishop of not only the NCO but the AWCF? What effects would this have on the Apostolic Oneness movement as a whole?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:43 AM
Brother Strange
Guest


 
Posts: n/a
Haha...

Dan, you just WONT do.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:48 AM
Nahum Nahum is offline
Registered User


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,102
Wow!

I am still digesting this.

Daniel, are you suggesting the next AWCF leader may be Kenneth Phillips?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:49 AM
Amos Amos is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,016
These words from Ricky Saulters...

Quote:
My heartbeat is to reach out and find another minister in the same stratus of confusion that I was in, and help them understand how the pieces do fit when joined in the process by spiritual Fathers, brothers and sons for the purpose and propagation of the Kingdom!
That sounds to me like he wants to do a little recruiting.
__________________
"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:

And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."


--Amos 7:14-15
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:53 AM
SDG SDG is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H-Town, Texas
Posts: 18,009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster View Post
Wow!

I am still digesting this.

Daniel, are you suggesting the next AWCF leader may be Kenneth Phillips?
I think it's a plausible theory considering the internal present going-ons and he is a man of God that garners a lot of respect.

I encourage folks to listen to the last 10 minutes of his message to the AWCF Congress.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:54 AM
revrandy's Avatar
revrandy revrandy is offline
His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stockton, California
Posts: 5,376
What I don't understand is how Tekle could be counted as he believe's a false doctrine? or does that not matter any more?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:56 AM
Amos Amos is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by revrandy View Post
What I don't understand is how Tekle could be counted as he believe's a false doctrine? or does that not matter any more?
Neither the AWCF nor the NCO care much about doctrine.
__________________
"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:

And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."


--Amos 7:14-15
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:57 AM
AGAPE AGAPE is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 467
revrandy,

birds of a feather flock together
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:57 AM
Nahum Nahum is offline
Registered User


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,102
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos View Post
Neither the AWCF nor the NCO care much about doctrine.
That was low Brother.

KP still loves this doctrine very much.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-27-2007, 09:57 AM
NLYP's Avatar
NLYP NLYP is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,593
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster View Post
Wow!

I am still digesting this.

Daniel, are you suggesting the next AWCF leader may be Kenneth Phillips?
Looks that way.....
quite possible.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
If your church board told you, "Leave the UPCI" - Or leave this Church???? Neck Fellowship Hall 40 04-01-2008 03:11 PM
"Today, A Sad Day For The Upci" Bishop1 Fellowship Hall 334 02-11-2008 04:04 PM
What was the UPCI "Philippines Fiasco" that Took Place in the late 1980s??? StillStanding Fellowship Hall 47 02-04-2008 09:09 PM
Seven kids get "it" or "Him" at youth camp Sherri Fellowship Hall 10 07-16-2007 12:57 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by mfblume
- by TJJJ
- by Esaias
- by Esaias

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.