Trinitarian Pentecostalism

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

I know a lot of Apostolic people get on the kick that Trinitarian Christians don't get the genuine Holy Ghost, but most likely just get tongues or, in worst cases, a counterfeit spirit. I'm sure some of them have a different spirit that isn't the Spirit of God, but I'm sure all of us here have stories, whether first hand or not, about people in churches we've been to or heard tell of that didn't have the real deal.

Some people want to justify their theory by saying that because they aren't in the fullness of the Truth (as we see it) that therefore they cannot possibly have the genuine Spirit of God. I can't entirely agree. Just because someone doesn't have the revelation or abide in the entirety of Biblical Truth, doesn't mean that the individual wasn't filled with the very Holy Ghost that Christ back as a comforter to His people.

When we say things like this, it seems very much like we're denying the very power of the God we serve. He doesn't hold his Spirit back from those that love Him, and yes, I've met Trinitarians that certainly love the Lord. Are they abiding in the fullness of Truth? Of course they aren't. But how many of us are? Just because someone doesn't see everything just as we doesn't mean that weren't blessed by the Lord to have what is real.

I don't get on that bandwagon.

Naturally, we all know that Jesus will eventually pull back His Spirit if we continue to override it. That's a given. He's not going to continuously abide in a vessel that isn't walking in obedience to His guidance. Now, the precise point where He draws back can certainly be debated.

The biggest thing most people want to harp on about tongue-talkers outside of the Apostolic arena is Oneness and Jesus' name baptism. I know of a preacher that pastors as self-titled community church (it was once affiliated with the Church of God, the Cleveland division) that willingly preaches Trinitarianism when he knows Oneness to be right out of fear that a large percentage of his congregation would reject it and therefore leave his church.

That baffles me. He knows better, but doesn't teach it. One of his sons saw Oneness, and denied ordination in the COG because they wanted him to deny Oneness.

I don't know where all this rant came from but I was sitting at work and this is what was jumbling through my head, and I wanted to get it out here.

I'll be done for now.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well, let's forget everything, and just have a little bless me club.

In that way CC1 will post more.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

I know a lot of Apostolic people get on the kick that Trinitarian Christians don't get the genuine Holy Ghost

What if they die?

Church in the U.S.A. opinions, nothing but a opinions, and being nicer than Jesus.

[diakonos]

So, unequally yoked is ok?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

So, unequally yoked is ok?

Sounds like there isn't even a yoke left?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What if they die?

Church in the U.S.A. opinions, nothing but a opinions, and being nicer than Jesus.

If they die denying the doctrine of Christ, Isaiah 9:6 they die lost. It does not all hang on that tho. If Apostolics die and their works are not perfect THEY will die lost.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If they die denying the doctrine of Christ, Isaiah 9:6 they die lost. It does not all hang on that tho. If Apostolics die and their works are not perfect THEY will die lost.

Mike, if Apostolics are flipped out cannibals is the obvious.

Right?

It is all about opinions in the United States Churchisms. Since the Internet it has become even more blended. As long as the Trinitarian is kinder than the Care Bears everything is bliss. Sit down with Trinitarian swamiji on an ecclesiastical lotus and talk about three headed Vishnu, Brahma, and Shiv. His wife is sweeter than tea with a full bag of Dixie Crystals.Therefore they are just like us, no they are better than us. I would rather sit through a service with drier than toast Apostolic service than a Trinitarian Pennycostals shouting like they were stuck with pokers.

[Bro Flame]

[BCsenior]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Would love to usher them into the fullness of the truth of Oneness.
But no fellowship.

Would I be welcome (on not) to start a thread with a few dozen verses,
which speak of Jesus being God?

There are many fewer verses which say the Holy Spirit is God.

There are about 20 verses which have all Three "Persons" in each verse.
Why are all Three spoken of in these verses as seemingly being equal???

I would actually like someone to explain to me
WHY the above verses do not prove the Trinity,
or at least WHY Jesus is not God.
.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by BCsenior

Would I be welcome (on not) to start a thread with a few dozen verses,
which speak of Jesus being God?

There are many fewer verses which say the Holy Spirit is God.

There are about 20 verses which have all Three "Persons" in each verse.
Why are all Three spoken of in these verses as seemingly being equal???

I would actually like someone to explain to me
WHY the above verses do not prove the Trinity,
or at least WHY Jesus is not God.
.

Please do start that thread. I would enjoy the discourse.