Divorce and remarriage

[coksiw]

OP,
There are different views about this topic. It is very difficult. I feel so sorry for those people and the consequences on those kids. Pretty devastating.
I don’t think a forum is an appropriate place to talk about this issue. There are a lot of variables involved. In this case, it may be best to look for counseling from the Pastor or an apostolic marriage counselor. Looking for God’s direction is the best.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by coksiw

OP,
There are different views about this topic. It is very difficult. I feel so sorry for those people and the consequences on those kids. Pretty devastating.
I don’t think a forum is an appropriate place to talk about this issue. There are a lot of variables involved. In this case, it may be best to look for counseling from the Pastor or an apostolic marriage counselor. Looking for God’s direction is the best.

Pastors and marriage counselors in these years are generally excuse-minded, in terms of the issue of the marriage permanence doctrinal consistency idea. They often have an underlying current of not wanting to offend members and potential members with a hard word.

And I do agree that we should be ultra-cautious about saying:
"Brother A, Sister B, you should do do this."

It is unlikely that we even have all the information accurately. We may not even have the right information as to who is the person's covenant spouse (ie. those in the marriage permanence movement who believe there is one covenant spouse.)

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Pastors and marriage counselors in these years are generally excuse-minded, in terms of the issue of the marriage permanence doctrinal consistency idea. They often have an underlying current of not wanting to offend members and potential members with a hard word.

And I do agree that we should be ultra-cautious about saying:
"Brother A, Sister B, you should do do this."

It is unlikely that we even have all the information accurately. We may not even have the right information as to who is the person's covenant spouse (ie. those in the marriage permanence movement who believe there is one covenant spouse.)

There are two camps regarding the "put away" and "divorce"and "divorce writ" what it actually meant in the context of the original listener. They both have plenty of arguments to defend their position. I think in situations like this which are already hard emotionally the best is to look for local counseling, and prayer. I'm 100% sure if you look for God's guidance in prayer he won't let you down.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by coksiw

look for local counseling, and prayer. I'm 100% sure if you look for God's guidance in prayer he won't let you down.

God's guidance will not let you down.

Local counseling often will.

[coksiw]

But I can also say:
““But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.”
....1 Corinthians‬ ..7:15‬ ..KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/1co.7.15.kjv”

The word “depart” here is the same Greek word translated as “put asunder” in the Matthew 19:6.

Again, this issue is not easy, and the new testament gives some text that at best we all can understand the principle: do not divorce, especially they are both Christian, and remain unmarried if they decide to separate and are still both real Christians. But also don't turn it into a legalism above mercy and peace, and the chance to recover from the disastrous effect of sin. Anyways, we can argue about this forever.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by coksiw

But I can also say:
““But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.”
....1 Corinthians‬ ..7:15‬ ..KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/1co.7.15.kjv”

The word “depart” here is the same Greek word translated as “put asunder” in the Matthew 19:6.

Again, this issue is not easy, and the new testament gives some text that at best we all can understand the principle: do not divorce, especially they are both Christian, and remain unmarried if they decide to separate and are still both real Christians. But also don't turn it into a legalism above mercy and peace, and the chance to recover from the disastrous effect of sin. Anyways, we can argue about this forever.

Amen.
Paul said "The Lord said, not me" that a married couple has to stay married and if they depart (for any reason) let them stay un-married or reconcile back to their ex . So is not pottible for Paul now say anything diferent than the Lord while he continues "i said NOT the Lord" "if a Christian is married to a non Christian...etc.

He already put the base that the Lord spoke "no divorce. and if for any reason happens divorce, then let them be unmarried" This is very clear.
So the unfaithful member may wants to divorce, In such cases the faithful member has not any fault. He is not like Jesus said "That whosoever shall put away his wife causeth her to commit adultery"
If a Christian puts away his wife even if he dont marry an other ,is in sin because he causeth her to commit adultery, but Paul said that of is a non Christian and wants to live, let them live ,you are not sinning, but if the unfaithful member dont want to depart and you divorce ,then you are guilty for their adultery.
Amen.Brother ,The Word is clear for us! for the "hard-hearted Christian" everything is confuse and dark.

[diakonos]

Peter83,

Good job! I always believed that you can not remarry. MY only exception is if it happened before conversion.

“Our” churches are full of people on their 2nd and 3rd marriages. What a sad state of affairs.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Peter83,

Good job! I always believed that you can not remarry. MY only exception is if it happened before conversion.

“Our” churches are full of people on their 2nd and 3rd marriages. What a sad state of affairs.

Μe too.
Here the majority of churches believe the same as you.
They don't allow second marriage , neither giving divorces and they don't give communion to people who don't repent. The only exception is when people are coming to Christ and they are married 2nd or even 3rd time before knowing the truth. In this situation they accept them like everyone else, they can't however take the office of the Pastor.
And this is my only question on the subject... Is this ok or they have to divorce? Only pastor Gino preaches that.
I see the second a little brutal but i don't take it lightly.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by peter83

Here the majority of churches believe the same as you.
They don't allow second marriage , neither giving divorces and they don't give communion to people who don't repent. The only exception is when people are coming to Christ and they are married 2nd or even 3rd time before knowing the truth. In this situation they accept them like everyone else, they can't however take the office of the Pastor.
And this is my only question on the subject... Is this ok or they have to divorce?

Often, it would only be a divorce in the eyes of man. In the eyes of God, there is no divorce from an adulterous relationship, there is only the ending of the sinful acts.

However, you do have to carefully determine if they do have a covenant spouse against whom adultery was committed and with whom there is a one-flesh covenant.

[peter83]

Steven Avery;1573225]Often, it would only be a divorce in the eyes of man. In the eyes of God, there is no divorce from an adulterous relationship, there is only the ending of the sinful acts.

However, you do have to carefully determine if they do have a covenant spouse against whom adultery was committed and with whom there is a one-flesh covenant.

Yes.
For example if one is second time married and his new wife is her first time, then (if we take the second rule) they are in adultery . But after they repent the man has to stay unmarried or go back to her first , while the woman can be married, because the previous marriage with the adulterous was not valid.
Is this what you mean?
But seriously i don't know, in some cases is very complicated