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Re: Thoughts on what brings God's blessings

How does James 1:25 fit in?
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Re: Thoughts on what brings God's blessings

Rev 1:3?
Rev 16:15?
Rev 22:7?
Rev 22:14?
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If Jesus put away sin by the sacrifice of himself, as it says in the book of Hebrew, is there anything that bring it back?
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If Jesus put away sin by the sacrifice of himself, as it says in the book of Hebrew, is there anything that bring it back?
Putting away sin usually refers to the expiatory atonement for the nation as a whole. Such atonement was never applicable to the individual presumptuous sinner. Israel and Judah were judicially guilty of sin, not merely as individuals, but nationally and corporately. All heathens were likewise, if for no other reason than the fact they were outside the covenant and thus had no covering. Jesus came on the scene to provide that covering. Individually we benefit from that covering as we are appropriated into the Covered Nation (via the new covenant).

Those under the law had a covering applied every year on the Day of Atonement. But the presumptuous Israelite bore his own iniquity - no covering for him or her. We have a covering under the new covenant, effected once at Calvary and efficacious through all eternity. But it will do you no good if you throw it off, you are no longer covered.

Moreover, Calvary has a power, a dunamis, an ABILITY to actually cause sinners to stop sinning by the grace of God - something the law could not do. Christ can not only judicially put away a man's sin, He can literally do it by the Holy Ghost sanctifying the one who believes and receives. But sanctification isn't a mere event, but a present ongoing reality lived by faith. Thus, it is possible to fall from grace.
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That's what I'm after.. opinions.

I do nto beleve that what we do affords blessings in the new covenant. Eph 1:3-4 seems to say that we already have all we can get by being in Christ, which is what Col 2 seems to say when it reads we are compelte in him.
We have a tabernacle... reserved in heaven...

Yet, we have to run the race and win the crown. If by any means I may attain the resurrection... not as though I had already attained... etc.

So God blessing us with all spiritual blessings in Christ means simply all our blessings come through Christ. We have them because we are in Christ, that is they cannot be had outside of Christ. We have been given eternal life, but we have to overcome to inherit it.

So we have everything, in potential. The actual enjoyment of these things is predicated on certain things, including our actions. Ye have not because ye ask not. Thus, asking is an action we do that results in receiving. Having is not automatic due to being in Christ.
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Putting away sin usually refers to the expiatory atonement for the nation as a whole. Such atonement was never applicable to the individual presumptuous sinner. Israel and Judah were judicially guilty of sin, not merely as individuals, but nationally and corporately. All heathens were likewise, if for no other reason than the fact they were outside the covenant and thus had no covering. Jesus came on the scene to provide that covering. Individually we benefit from that covering as we are appropriated into the Covered Nation (via the new covenant).

Those under the law had a covering applied every year on the Day of Atonement. But the presumptuous Israelite bore his own iniquity - no covering for him or her. We have a covering under the new covenant, effected once at Calvary and efficacious through all eternity. But it will do you no good if you throw it off, you are no longer covered.

Moreover, Calvary has a power, a dunamis, an ABILITY to actually cause sinners to stop sinning by the grace of God - something the law could not do. Christ can not only judicially put away a man's sin, He can literally do it by the Holy Ghost sanctifying the one who believes and receives. But sanctification isn't a mere event, but a present ongoing reality lived by faith. Thus, it is possible to fall from grace.
How does one throw off the "putting away sin" that Christ accomplished? Stop believing?
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So as a whole(church) our sin has been put away but individually it hasn't? Are saying a member in sin is uncovered? The sin that was put away on the cross came back?
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How does one throw off the "putting away sin" that Christ accomplished? Stop believing?
By sinning. By ceasing to believe. By ceasing to obey. All essentially synonymous in the Bible.

An umbrella is like a covering. Keeps the rain off... unless you toss it aside or run out from underneath it. Then you get wet.
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So as a whole(church) our sin has been put away but individually it hasn't? Are saying a member in sin is uncovered? The sin that was put away on the cross came back?
Put away isn't about location but status. Sin isn't an object, it's an action and a legal classification or status or condition.

Israel's corporate sin has been put away. All who have been grafted in via the new covenant likewise have their sins washed away. But if one sins, or apostasizes, or falls from grace, etc, they reject the atonement and bear their own sin.
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All my money is in the bank.

But I still got to write and sign the checks.
That is not the same thing as putting the money in the bank, though. It's like Acts 2:38. It's not a work for salvation, but simply applying Christ's work that saves to us. We access all the blessings afforded by the cross through obedience, but the obedience does not afford them. Jesus earned them all. It's a question of earning blessings.
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