Was Adam and Eve the only first created?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

well, of course i strongly disagree with your statement, and no, i don't hold to any catholic dogma. just curious where you find this in the scriptures.

So you believe in the teaching of inherited sin? It is a dogma (doctrine) of the catholic church. The doctrine of inherited sin is not found in the Scripture, that is the problem.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I may be rumbling here. I thought the whole idea of "other humans were created beside Adam" is like an attempt to answer how Seth or Cain got wives. Or at least that's what I have dealt with when people ask "how can you explain this?" to introduce that idea of other human creations beside Adam.

Oh, okay, I understand. The issue of these other people in regard to Cain and Seth is just a follow-on to the 2 creation accounts which is the basis for the idea that there were people before Adam and Eve.

The questions "Of whom was Cain afraid would find him and kill him?" and "Who did he marry?" and "For whom did he build an entire city?" are not adequately addressed by "Adam and Eve had more kids later on".

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Take a look at this https://concordiatheology.bibleodyss...od-narratives/

So the author is coming from the "YWHW vs Elohim" point of view, which I think is a weak position. Trying to understand the Bible without beginning with the idea that it is in fact Divinely inspired usually leads to some weird places.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So you believe in the teaching of inherited sin? It is a dogma (doctrine) of the catholic church. The doctrine of inherited sin is not found in the Scripture, that is the problem.

you didn't answer the question. same question.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

you didn't answer the question. same question.

Do you believe in inherited sin?

[phareztamar]

do you believe as esaias that "sin is a legal and judicial category, not a biological or metaphysical category"?

[Amanah]

When I inherited flesh, I inherited sin

Romans 7:15-25
English Standard Version
15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

do you believe as esaias that "sin is a legal and judicial category, not a biological or metaphysical category"?

No one is born a sinner or with the proclivity to sin. Also we do not inherit the sins of parents. The Bible is clear that children do not inherit sin. The soul (individual) that sinneth shall die. Therefore sun is not imputed to us because what our parents or great great parents have done. Bible is pretty logical.

[phareztamar]

at what point in your own life, then, did you become a sinner?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

do you believe as esaias that "sin is a legal and judicial category, not a biological or metaphysical category"?

1 John 3:4 KJV
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is defined as "transgression of the law." Therefore it is a legal and judicial category ("crime"), not a biological or metaphysical category ("disease" or "hex").