Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 09-15-2019, 09:02 PM
mfblume's Avatar
mfblume mfblume is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portage la Prairie, MB CANADA
Posts: 36,654
Re: Two future resurrections?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
This sounds like amillennialism, not postmillennialism. Just saying, it's a minor point, no big deal.
I got this info from post-mill advocate David Chilton
__________________
...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.

"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."

Last edited by mfblume; 09-15-2019 at 09:05 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-15-2019, 09:56 PM
mfblume's Avatar
mfblume mfblume is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portage la Prairie, MB CANADA
Posts: 36,654
Re: Two future resurrections?

Turns out, now that memory serves, that dispensationalism teaches three future physical resurrections.
__________________
...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.

"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."

Last edited by mfblume; 09-15-2019 at 10:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-16-2019, 11:10 AM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Master ThreadKiller


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 20,780
Re: Two future resurrections?

Interesting claim that amil and postmil are evolving into a single eschatology: https://covenant-theology.blogspot.c...alism.html?m=1
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-16-2019, 11:12 AM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Master ThreadKiller


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 20,780
Re: Two future resurrections?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume View Post
Turns out, now that memory serves, that dispensationalism teaches three future physical resurrections.
I dont consider dispensationalism a serious subject matter unless the topic is "heresy" or something.
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-16-2019, 11:33 AM
mfblume's Avatar
mfblume mfblume is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portage la Prairie, MB CANADA
Posts: 36,654
Re: Two future resurrections?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
I dont consider dispensationalism a serious subject matter unless the topic is "heresy" or something.
Amen.
__________________
...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.

"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-16-2019, 12:02 PM
mfblume's Avatar
mfblume mfblume is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portage la Prairie, MB CANADA
Posts: 36,654
Re: Two future resurrections?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume View Post
Turns out, now that memory serves, that dispensationalism teaches three future physical resurrections.
Doesn't sound like that's possible...

1 cor 15:..22....For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

..23....But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

..24....Then..cometh..the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
__________________
...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.

"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-19-2019, 04:27 PM
mfblume's Avatar
mfblume mfblume is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portage la Prairie, MB CANADA
Posts: 36,654
Re: Two future resurrections?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
This sounds like amillennialism, not postmillennialism. Just saying, it's a minor point, no big deal.
I don't agree with all David Chilton says about things, but here is what he said about the a-mill and post-mill position, with remarks about premill.
What is the position of the historic, orthodox Church on the question of the Millennium? Can the doctrine of the Church be accurately described as either postmill-ennialist or amillennialist? In general, the difference between those traditionally called “amillennialists” and those traditionally called “postmillennialist” has been set in terms of their interpretations of the “thousand years” (in Latin, the millennium) of Revelation 20. “Amillennialists” have usually seen this text as a reference to the condition of the saints reigning in heaven, while “postmillennialists” have understood it as a description of the saints’ dominion on earth. As we shall see, however, this way of framing the question can actually obscure some very important facts about the Christian view of “the Millennium.” If we wish to gain an understanding of the orthodox position, we must understand that the answer to this precise question cannot be determined primarily by the exegesis of particular texts. For example, “amillennialists” often disagree with each other about the precise nature of the resurrection(s) in Revelation 20 (to cite only one of several major points in dispute). And Benjamin Warfield, perhaps the leading “postmillennialist”scholar of the early part of this century, proposed an exegesis of Revelation 20 which most theologians would consider to be classically “amillennialist”!1 Our framing of the question, therefore, should be broad enough to account for the diversity of approach among the various amillennialist and postmillennialist camps. In essence, the question of the Millennium centers on the mediatorial Kingdom of Christ: When did (or will) Christ’s Kingdom begin? And once we pose the question this way, something amazing happens –something almost unheard of in Christian circles:Unity! From the Day of Pentecost onward, orthodox Christians have recognized that Christ’s reign began at His Resurrection/Ascension and continues until all things have been thoroughly subdued under His feet, as St. Peter clearly declared (Acts 2:30-36). “The Millennium,” in these terms, is simply the Kingdom of Christ. It was inaugurated at Christ’s First Advent, has been in existence for almost two thousand years, and will go on until Christ’s Second Advent at the Last Day. In “millennial” terminology, this means that the return of Christ and the resurrection of all men will take place after “the Millennium.” In this objective sense, therefore, orthodox Christianity has always been postmillennialist. That is to say, regardless of how “the Millennium” has been conceived (whether in a heavenly or an earthly sense) – i.e., regardless of the technical exegesis of certain points in Revelation 20 –orthodox Christians have always confessed that Jesus Christ will return after (“post”) the period designated as“the thousand years” has ended. In this sense, all “amillennialists” are also “post-millennialist.” At the same time, orthodox Christianity has always been amillennialist (i.e., non-millenarian). The historic Church has always rejected the heresy of Millenar-ianism (in past centuries, this was called chiliasm, meaning thousand-year-ism). The notion that the reign of Christ is something wholly future, to be brought in by some great social cataclysm, is not a Christian doctrine. It is an unorthodox teaching, generally espoused by heretical sects on the fringes of the Christian Church.2
__________________
...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.

"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-19-2019, 05:01 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Master ThreadKiller


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 20,780
Re: Two future resurrections?

Chilton is being dishonest. Postmillennialism always asserted the thousand years was a FUTURE epoch, amillennialism has always asserted the millennium represents the present church era.

Further, Chilton's claims about premillennialism being "unorthodox" are just stupid. Prior to the rise of amillennialism, many if not most Christians were premillennialists. Interestingly, during the same period, they were also mostly Oneness.

The "historic church" he speaks about is none other than the catholic church. Thus, he is a typical ignorant "Protestant" claiming "historic orthodoxy" which is nothing less than antichrist catholic history and dogma.
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-19-2019, 05:10 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Master ThreadKiller


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 20,780
Re: Two future resurrections?

Here is an article from a Reformed antipremillennialist site. Interestingly, it acknowledges that the rise of amillennialism was derived in large measure from a development in the belief in a conscious intermediate after death state in heaven. https://www.monergism.com/why-early-...emillennialism
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-19-2019, 05:21 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Master ThreadKiller


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 20,780
Re: Two future resurrections?

Barnes gives an excellent presentation of the postmil doctrine: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ba...elation/20.htm
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The future is HERE!!!! Eliseus Fellowship Hall 28 09-25-2019 04:47 AM
Is This In Your Future? Michael The Disciple Fellowship Hall 16 05-13-2014 07:40 AM
California - the future of the USA aegsm76 Political Talk 3 05-16-2012 12:12 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Salome
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.