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Old 09-19-2019, 05:31 PM
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Re: Two future resurrections?

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I don't agree with all David Chilton says about things, but here is what he said about the a-mill and post-mill position, with remarks about premill.
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Like I said....
Well, I wasn't saying you agreed with any particular point he was making lol.
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Well, I wasn't saying you agreed with any particular point he was making lol.
Just ensuring for the record. I warned ya! lol. Lest anyone else wonders.
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1 cor 15:..22....For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

..23....But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

..24....Then..cometh..the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Paul's narrative stands on the grounds that death is defeated at the resurrection of the church . Paul laid out the reasoning behind Psalm 110:1-2 and stated that Christ's rule ends when all enemies are put beneath his feet, because death is the last enemy. And Jesus sits ruling UNTIL all enemies are put under. Paul was explaining there is this "END" to his mediatoral role as King and ruling as MAN when death is defeated, seeing as that enemy is the last enemy we need dealt with, because the word TIL in Psalm 110:1 means there is an end point to his sitting. He called that sitting reigning in 1 Cor 15:25.

So, if he sits UNTIL all enemies are under his feet, and he rules until all enemies are under his feet, and death is the last enemy to be put under his feet, that's when the END Paul spoke about occurs. THE END of 1 Cor 15:24 is the TIL point in Psalm 110:1.

Jesus conquered death in his own humanity, leaving his risen to die no more.

Romans 6:9.. Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

This affected us, for the time being, by noting we are likewise risen with Him, and must reckon ourselves to be so in order for us to present ourselves to God as those alive from the dead.

Romans 6:11.. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


LIKEWISE means the death and resurrection Jesus experienced are true about us in a spiritual manner.

And as a result of this, Paul says we have this benefit...

Romans 6:12.. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

And instead of letting sin rule in our mortal flesh, we are to do this:

Romans 6:13.. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.


But the physical aspect of our bodies is also involved in Christ's resurrection from the dead, which has not come to fruition yet. Our very flesh is going to be changed from being mortal to immortal. And when that occurs, then not only are we spiritually risen to see death's power over us ended, if we apply the teachings of Paul and live by this faith he explained in Romans 6, but we are also physically given immortal life so that our bodies are actually immortal as opposed to mortal.

This is the reason Christ did not give up the kingdom to the Father when He ascended and was enthroned, having conquered death to never die again. Obviously, HE BEGAN his kingdom at that ruling point of his own victory over death. But HE ENDS that ruling aspect to whatever extent 1 Cor 15::28 tells us he has ruled and ceases in that manner, when the resurrection of the saints occurs at the second coming of Jesus.

If he ends this rule specifically at the point of the second coming, when the mortal puts on immortality, intrinsically tying the defeat of death to our mortality putting on immortality to the timing of the END of his current rule, then how can there be an entire age called a kingdom AFTER THAT?

One might say Paul simply failed to mention this kingdom period that follows the resurrection of the saints, but it still can FIT and can therefore occur. This makes Revelation 20's first resurrection a a future one. But I propose Paul disallows such an idea and age to FIT with what he said, because he distinctly connected the complete conquest over death with the church's resurrection and changing of bodies from mortal to immortal, and said that's when the last enemy, death, is defeated. And that fulfills Psalm 110:1's statement that Jesus sits until all enemies are under his feet. Since death is the last enemy, and Paul said it goes under when mortality puts on immortality, then END means END at that point, and Psalm 110:1 does NOT EXTEND past the resurrection of the saints.

So, the question is, how can his rule of Psalm 110:1 extend past the resurrection of the church on into an additional "age" if the last enemy to be put under his feet is death, and that's how long the rule of Psalm 110 continues until, and Paul said that occurs when the mortality puts on immortality at the church's resurrection?

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I am writing a book on the issue and would appreciate any feedback on my reasoning in case i missed something. Thanks!
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