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Old 07-11-2018, 12:58 PM
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How is the underlined above ignoring Acts?

We have had numerous arguments on this Board, FCF and NFCF that Acts 2:38 was never spoken about in the Epistles - yet - it is there - just like the statement in RJ's portion above in bold regarding the Holy Ghost and the Church.
Thatís an excellent point.
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Old 07-11-2018, 01:04 PM
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What are SOF’s for anyway? Apostolics arguing that it’s not specific enough because there’s no banner of ACTS 238 in size 60 font..,

Well maybe, just maybe he’s not trying to attract Apostolics to join his church.
Why would a church want it’s growth to come from the Church and not without?
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Old 07-11-2018, 01:10 PM
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He believes that there is so much depth past Acts 2:38 and that it does a person a great disservice to quote it all the time and never move on in Christ. That is a huge deal to him.
Enough said then.

If anyone wants to know more, check out his messages on iTunes. Surely there must be something about the baptism of the Holy Spirit and why we baptize new believers. Just because it's not in the "about us" doesn't mean he doesn't teach it.

Or maybe it is taught in new convert classes.
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What are SOFís for anyway? Apostolics arguing that itís not specific enough because thereís no banner of ACTS 238 in size 60 font..,

Well maybe, just maybe heís not trying to attract Apostolics to join his church.
Why would a church want itís growth to come from the Church and not without?
You're playing dumb.
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Old 07-11-2018, 01:20 PM
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You're playing dumb.
Nah, bruh.
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SOF’s only matter to people looking for a specific type of church.
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Enough said then.

If anyone wants to know more, check out his messages on iTunes. Surely there must be something about the baptism of the Holy Spirit and why we baptize new believers. Just because it's not in the "about us" doesn't mean he doesn't teach it.

Or maybe it is taught in new convert classes.


If a person hasn't been baptized or received the HG ... they aren't "new converts."
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isn't this a situation where the pastor was once affiliated but the church was never affiliated in the first place?

I have run into these types before. They really do believe that a person can be saved at the point of confession and faith. They are very passionate about the new believer's, "next steps" which will almost always include biblical teaching on what it means to repent, water baptism in the name of jesus and the doctrine concerning being filled with the holy spirit.

these folks usually do not hold fast to the idea of full salvation in our apostolic sense.

this doesn't mean they aren't good people. They're just not apostolic.
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if a person hasn't been baptized or received the hg ... They aren't "new converts."

Exactly!
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If a person hasn't been baptized or received the HG ... they aren't "new converts."
Conversion is a change of belief. Before someone submits to water baptism, or Spirit baptism, they must first believe the gospel and turn to God, repent. Then they are qualified for the baptisms.


Look it up (convert, converted) in the dictionary, in the Bible, or in the Greek.
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Conversion is a change of belief. Before someone submits to water baptism, or Spirit baptism, they must first believe the gospel and turn to God, repent. Then they are qualified for the baptisms.


Look it up (convert, converted) in the dictionary, in the Bible, or in the Greek.
Acts 3:19 "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." This scripture shows that repentance and being converted are separate actions. That's the whole purpose of the conjunction and.

How does scripture say sins are blotted out and remitted? Guess what back to where we all began Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Then through that it causes as the Amplified says of Acts 3:19 "so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord [restoring you like a cool wind on a hot day]." Which is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, and once again that Acts 2:38.

There is no conversion at repentance they only made it to the altar, but they now need to wash in the laver, so that they can enter into the Tabernacle door. For as it says in 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." No water? No blood.No Spirit? No blood! They all 3 agree in one,and when they do become one, then they have been converted not before.

There's no joining a church. Your born into it by the Spirit, or transplanted into one. The 1st century church had no new converts class. That's that PAJC belief, but that's not Apostolic. Nor is it biblical.
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