Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 11-15-2017, 06:30 PM
Michael The Disciple's Avatar
Michael The Disciple Michael The Disciple is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 12,527
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Quote:
I don't get into prophecy, the end times or eschatology because, IMO, it doesn't matter which is right. The only thing which matters is that I live holy and ready for His return, whenever that may be. Whether it's pre-trib, mid-trib/pre-wrath, mid-trib/mid-wrath, post-trib, whenever. As long as I'm living holy and ready to meet him at any time, these divisive arguments don't matter to me.
So something the APOSTLE Paul taught and commanded the Church was
neither salvific or important?

Especially something Paul prefaced by saying:

LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS........

No wonder the Churches are so spiritually bankrupt.
Reply With Quote
  #102  
Old 11-15-2017, 06:44 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Happily "off the chain"


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 18,734
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple View Post
So something the APOSTLE Paul taught and commanded the Church was
neither salvific or important?

Especially something Paul prefaced by saying:

LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS........

No wonder the Churches are so spiritually bankrupt.


I think there's a difference between a person saying "I don't know, I haven't studied it" or "I've been studying but I'm not yet convinced one way or the other" on the one hand, and someone saying "Who cares? What difference does it make?" on the other hand.

The first case is understandable. The second seems inexcusably lazy and morally relativistic. In my opinion.
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 11-15-2017, 07:15 PM
Michael The Disciple's Avatar
Michael The Disciple Michael The Disciple is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 12,527
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post


I think there's a difference between a person saying "I don't know, I haven't studied it" or "I've been studying but I'm not yet convinced one way or the other" on the one hand, and someone saying "Who cares? What difference does it make?" on the other hand.

The first case is understandable. The second seems inexcusably lazy and morally relativistic. In my opinion.
Agreed
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old 11-15-2017, 07:58 PM
TGBTG TGBTG is offline
Jesus is the only Lord God


 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,425
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post


I think there's a difference between a person saying "I don't know, I haven't studied it" or "I've been studying but I'm not yet convinced one way or the other" on the one hand, and someone saying "Who cares? What difference does it make?" on the other hand.

The first case is understandable. The second seems inexcusably lazy and morally relativistic. In my opinion.
What do you mean by "understandable?" are you saying such person will not be damned?

And then how about "I have studied it, but come to a different conclusion than you?" is that understandable?
__________________
...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)

We have no law but love, no creed but Christ, no book but the Bible: no membership; just fellowship through the Blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses us from all unbelief - W. Branham
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 11-15-2017, 09:00 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Happily "off the chain"


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 18,734
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Quote:
Originally Posted by TGBTG View Post
What do you mean by "understandable?" are you saying such person will not be damned?
If a person simply hasnt yet studied a subject, and therefore has no opinion, they aren't following a heresy, correct? What don't you understand about the difference between having no opinion vs having an heretical opinion?

Quote:
And then how about "I have studied it, but come to a different conclusion than you?" is that understandable?
Then one or both of us is WRONG, and it behooves us to figure it out. Don't you agree?
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 11-15-2017, 09:05 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Happily "off the chain"


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 18,734
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Seems to me a lot of folks just want to know what they gotta have lined out in order to get to heaven. If something comes their way their default response seems to be "Do I have to have/do/believe this to go to heaven? Can I blow it off or reject it safely, or will I be lost?"

Seems like a lot of folks just really aren't interested in finding and knowing truth. They'd just rather meet the minimum requirements and get on with their lives.

Kind of sad, actually.
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 11-15-2017, 09:30 PM
jediwill83's Avatar
jediwill83 jediwill83 is offline
Believe, Obey, Declare


 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Charlotte NC
Posts: 2,581
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
If a person simply hasnt yet studied a subject, and therefore has no opinion, they aren't following a heresy, correct? What don't you understand about the difference between having no opinion vs having an heretical opinion?



Then one or both of us is WRONG, and it behooves us to figure it out. Don't you agree?
sounds kinda like light doctrine to me. if you havent studied it you arent responsible.
__________________
Blessed are the merciful for they SHALL obtain mercy.
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 11-15-2017, 09:39 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Happily "off the chain"


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 18,734
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Quote:
Originally Posted by jediwill83 View Post
sounds kinda like light doctrine to me. if you havent studied it you arent responsible.
1. That's not "light doctrine".

2. If we are responsible for believing correctly on every Biblical subject independently of any time for study, then nobody ever was saved.

Either we become disciples and continue to learn His Word (which necessarily implies time), or we must know everything correctly at the beginning APART FROM STUDY, or what we believe is irrelevant to our salvation.

Options 2 and 3 are false, leaving option 1 as the correct answer.

Option 3 is false because the Bible warns against believing false doctrines and being damned.

Option 2 is false because it is a physical impossibility, AND because the Bible enjoins us to study and grow in knowledge of Christ.

Option 1 therefore is correct. The Bible tells us to be disciples of Jesus. A disciple is a student, who learns via study and imitation of the Teacher. Study takes time. Being conformed to the image of Christ therefore takes time. Learning sound doctrine takes time.

Case proved.

__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!

Instead of google, use www.yandex.com


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 11-15-2017, 09:50 PM
Sean Sean is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 23,543
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,....




6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.





I guess the angels bypassed that feller?



LOL
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 11-15-2017, 09:52 PM
Sean Sean is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 23,543
Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Funny, the post tribbers completely de-legitimize the words of Jesus, when speaking of catching folks unaware....
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture BrotherEastman Fellowship Hall 321 01-26-2015 02:03 PM
IHOP Teaching On Post Trib Rapture Tonight Michael The Disciple Fellowship Hall 2 04-30-2011 08:00 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Esaias
- by Amanah
- by Esaias
- by Esaias

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:56 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.