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02-24-2008, 01:05 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Excellent analogy, Mother Alvear!
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Think I can schedule any meetings? Ha....
All these deep bible lessons...maybe I should schedule a seminar...
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02-24-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
What was the first recorded biblical standard?
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02-24-2008, 03:11 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Let me see what has changed...
The Hebrew men wore beards...
The Hebrew men wore robes with blue fringes
The Hebrew men wore sandals...
John dresses in camel’s hair...ate locust and wild honey...
Jesus took a whip to the church of His day...
Paul made a Nazarite vow...
Well to name a few standards...
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LOL!!! In other words the apostles would not have been allowed onthe platform of ultracon churches today.
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02-24-2008, 03:13 PM
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Senor Gunsmoke
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
I can't stand the word standard as it is used in Oneness Pentecostalism.
As if there is really a "standard" or set of standards that we have ever agreed on in the first place?
The only thing constant is change.
I am praying God removes the scales of religious pride from the eyes of my fellow believers.
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02-24-2008, 03:14 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Which "Old Ways" do we keep? The "Old Ways" which started in the 1940's and 50's? Or the "Old Ways" that started 2000 years ago?
For most people the "Old Ways" officially start at the time of their oldest known relative such as grandparents or great grand parents and in addition are heavily influenced by the town and neighborhood they grew up in.
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Good post. Those "Old ways" can even be different between two churches two miles apart.
When I was a teenager my UPC pastor was considered backslid and "wrong" by the other UPC church in our town (they were right outside town) because my pastor used hairspray in his hair and wore flared jeans / slacks (this was the mid 70's). Somehow the other pastor's 8 ounces of oil in his hair to hold it in place was holy but hairspray was not! LOL!!
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02-24-2008, 03:36 PM
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"One Mind...OneAccord"
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
I'm all for "Old Time Pentecostal" meetings. I appreciate the old Pentecostal traditions. I like the old hymns. But I also know this: Isa 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, [and] rivers in the desert. God is making rivers in the deserts. Things are more up-to-date, and relevent to this generation. It pains me to say this, but, my generation is passing on. The "new thing" God is doing is breathing new life, a new sense of fervancy. Who am I to stand in its way? No, the contemporary sound, the contemporary methods dont hold alot of appeal to me, but, if souls are being reached with the Gospel, if lives are being changed, who am I to say, "Nah, lets hold to to the old ways"? I pray this "new thing" can do what my generation didn't quite accomplish- and thats to bring more unity to the Body of Christ.
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02-24-2008, 04:58 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Blaylock
What was the first recorded biblical standard?
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It was probably animal skins for clothing.
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02-24-2008, 05:05 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by CC1
Good post. Those "Old ways" can even be different between two churches two miles apart.
When I was a teenager my UPC pastor was considered backslid and "wrong" by the other UPC church in our town (they were right outside town) because my pastor used hairspray in his hair and wore flared jeans / slacks (this was the mid 70's). Somehow the other pastor's 8 ounces of oil in his hair to hold it in place was holy but hairspray was not! LOL!!
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Everyone, to one degree or another, is willing to explain away an action while either condemning or "not approving" of someone doing something similar. Case in point, condemning television but allowing the net. Condemning "costly apparel"/jewelry on someone, then driving away in their Lincoln or wearing an $$$ suit. (What IS the difference between an expensive piece of jewelry and a high end car anyways?? -I don't think EITHER are wrong, but can't see how one can be condemned and the other not.)
Complaining about loud "rock music" then turning the church music to 11 on the volume scale. The list is endless.... And as Spock would say "Very very 'human'."
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02-24-2008, 06:16 PM
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God's Son
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
The problem with your question is your definition of old ways is less than 100 years old. The wpf's inconsistent view of television and internet proves they are rule minded, not principle minded.
wpf operates the same way the pharisees did. It's that attitude which helped nail Jesus to the cross.
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Originally Posted by Dan'D
The Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to keep?
The WPF is keeping with the idea that we should keep our Holiness Standards we have kept over the years. Which I agree, Yes things change but do we?
Dan'D
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02-24-2008, 06:20 PM
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God's Son
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
Someone once said the couldn't define pornography, but the knew it when they saw it. We can't define standards, but we know when someone doesn't follow them.
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Originally Posted by Alter Ego
I can't stand the word standard as it is used in Oneness Pentecostalism.
As if there is really a "standard" or set of standards that we have ever agreed on in the first place?
The only thing constant is change.
I am praying God removes the scales of religious pride from the eyes of my fellow believers.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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