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Old 07-19-2018, 09:49 AM
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There are "many more Scriptures that TEACH ON"... but yet the specific doctrines or beliefs I mentioned are found in only ONE passage each. There are many passages for example teaching things about our appearance and what is acceptable clothing etc, but there is only one verse in the entire Bible that tells us it is an abomination for a man to wear a women's garment or for a woman to put on a man's garment.

right I was making the point that we can come to the conclusion that Baptism and being born again are essential without the scriptures mentioned by using other supporting scripture. With the exception of garments and hair. Yet we use One scripture each to support these other two beliefs and that is fine with me.

I am wondering for arguments sake why is there an argument against using one scripture for hair while there may be other doctrines as well supported by only one scripture that there is no dispute over. Basically i would like to take that argument away from those that believe you need more than one verse to support a doctrine.
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right I was making the point that we can come to the conclusion that Baptism and being born again are essential without the scriptures mentioned by using other supporting scripture. With the exception of garments and hair. Yet we use One scripture each to support these other two beliefs and that is fine with me.

I am wondering for arguments sake why is there an argument against using one scripture for hair while there may be other doctrines as well supported by only one scripture that there is no dispute over. Basically i would like to take that argument away from those that believe you need more than one verse to support a doctrine.
The supporters of the "two witness rule for doctrine" are misinformed, and the reason is because a lot of Oneness Pentecostals actually get a lot of their doctrine from "evangelical" sources. I notice that none of the supporters of the "two witness rule" have supplied two witnesses from Scripture that state the proposed doctrine.
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The supporters of the "two witness rule for doctrine" are misinformed, and the reason is because a lot of Oneness Pentecostals actually get a lot of their doctrine from "evangelical" sources. I notice that none of the supporters of the "two witness rule" have supplied two witnesses from Scripture that state the proposed doctrine.
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The supporters of the "two witness rule for doctrine" are misinformed, and the reason is because a lot of Oneness Pentecostals actually get a lot of their doctrine from "evangelical" sources. I notice that none of the supporters of the "two witness rule" have supplied two witnesses from Scripture that state the proposed doctrine.
They aren't misinformed they are just listening to the wrong sources. Hermeneutic's is also another form of Neo-Platonism and it's kinned to the trinity. Like I said it's got some good principles to use to get context. But it's used as a way to usurp truth, at the same time. It's at best 65% reliable, it's definitely not infallible it's still a creation of man. That's why some churches warn you highly against theological seminaries. Because thats been a tool of the evangelicals, to spread their leaven throughout.
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It’s not a tool to spread leaven. Good grief.

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It’s not a tool to spread leaven. Good grief.

Well it seems it worked then..
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A systematic theology is to keep from error. That is the intent. It would be good for the Apostolic movement to develop a systematic theology but no one can agree on anything. Some are modalists. Some accuse other oneness of being twoness. Others believe that God died on the cross, some teach the flesh died. While oneness in Africa believe that the flesh was divine. Then the guys that teach the Father in the Son felt the pain of the crucifixion.

Then in regard to salvation some teach 3 steps. Others don’t teach steps, but elements.

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A systematic theology is to keep from error. That is the intent. It would be good for the Apostolic movement to develop a systematic theology but no one can agree on anything. Some are modalists. Some accuse other oneness of being twoness. Others believe that God died on the cross, some teach the flesh died. While oneness in Africa believe that the flesh was divine. Then the guys that teach the Father in the Son felt the pain of the crucifixion.

Then in regard to salvation some teach 3 steps. Others don’t teach steps, but elements.

Like I said it's a good principle but it can't be the go to in every situation, because it's at best a philosophy of man. But it does have a place, but there is not 1 scripture to support it...
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Like I said it's a good principle but it can't be the go to in every situation, because it's at best a philosophy of man. But it does have a place, but there is not 1 scripture to support it...
From the guy that believes Jesus spoke in tongues.
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From the guy that believes Jesus spoke in tongues.
Ok tell me why He didn't. I have as much scripture to prove what I'm saying, as you have to try to disprove it.Besides for the fact Jesus is the Holy Ghost.. So 1 for what I'm saying 0 for you...

Considering also Jesus Himself said "so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
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