Justification = Salvation

[BCsenior]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Justification does not equal salvation, because Salvation is a process of walking after the Spirit and being led by the Spirit. (Romans 8)
justification happens at repentance/baptism, salvation is a lifestyle of being filled with the Holy Ghost and led of the Spirit.

Another way of saying this is ...
Justification + Sanctification (unto holiness) = Salvation
BOTH are required for salvation.
There are many NT verses for BOTH.

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by BCsenior

Another way of saying this is ...
Justification + Sanctification (unto holiness) = Salvation
BOTH are required for salvation.
There are many NT verses for BOTH.

But not for initial salvation, right? Am I saved at the first moment I am justified? Again, not looking long term, just the initial moment someone is saved.

[Scott Pitta]

Costeon is correct.

[BCsenior]

Originally Posted by Costeon

But not for initial salvation, right? Am I saved at the first moment I am justified? Again, not looking long term, just the initial moment someone is saved.

Yes, there is no sanctification involved when initially saved.
But, do you realize that you must also be progressively sanctified?
I told my retired pastor friend,
"You're more hung up on the initial salvation thing ...
while I'm more concerned with the end result of the salvation process!"

[Praxeas]

Justification is a position not a means to become saved

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by BCsenior

"You're more hung up on the initial salvation thing ...
while I'm more concerned with the end result of the salvation process!"

But this thread is about initial salvation. :-)

I agree that there is on ongoing sanctifying work of the Spirit, without which there is no salvation.

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Justification is a position not a means to become saved

A position of being saved, right? Can someone be in the position of justification and not be saved at that moment? That is the issue of this this thread, which was prompted by some posts in another thread where one or two people were suggesting that justification is not a position of salvation, but is only a new status before God that allowed someone to go on and be saved in water baptism and Spirit baptism.

[Scott Pitta]

Having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

To be justified is to be saved and this is done by faith.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by BCsenior

Yes, there is no sanctification involved when initially saved.
But, do you realize that you must also be progressively sanctified?
I told my retired pastor friend,
"You're more hung up on the initial salvation thing ...
while I'm more concerned with the end result of the salvation process!"

Originally Posted by Costeon

But this thread is about initial salvation. :-)

I agree that there is on ongoing sanctifying work of the Spirit, without which there is no salvation.

John wrote "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" he did not say you are saved. But he did wrap up his self by saying that "whosoever believeth should not perish but have everlasting life". Peter on the day of Pentecost told those that ask, what they needed to do, to repent and be baptized. In those days baptism was a public confession of repentance.

To repent means to change from one way to the other. Being good from being bad. Or from doing wrong to doing right. The point of Salvation is the point when one changes from being wrong to being right.

Whether you want to call it justified or sanctified is a lot of extra confusion, to be saved simply means to change from doing right from doing wrong for Christ.

[BCsenior]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Justification is a position not a means to become saved

"The Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues."

It's an incredible tragedy that you believe both of these items!

All believers initially receive the Holy Spirit INSIDE.
At this time they are declared righteous + a whole lot more!
However, they are required to maintain this state of grace
through their co-operation with the precious Holy Spirit.
Justification + Sanctification = Salvation.
Both sanctification and salvation are processes!

Some believers are baptized with the Holy Spirit
(with the evidence of at least a few words of tongues)
when He comes UPON them.

And some believers receive BOTH simultaneously.

I have to teach all of these things
because the pastors are NOT doing it.

Probably, the most difficult thing to believe in all of this
... pastors who do not repent will end up in hell.