Christian Anarchism???

[Aquila]

I was talking to an elder the other day and the subjects of politics came up. I asked him his views and he shared that he is what he calls a "Christian Anarchist". At first, I wasn't sure if I heard him correctly, and sure enough that's what he said. He shared what his views were and why.

So, the past couple days I've looked into this Christian Anarchism thing. I was wondering if there are any Christian Anarchists among us here on AF? Maybe you are a Christian Anarchist and never knew it. Do you believe Christian Anarchism is in harmony with biblical Christianity?

Here's a an explanation of Christian Anarchism:

The meaning of Christian anarchism

The meaning of Christian anarchism is not societal chaos induced by believers in God. Nor is it provocation to revolution by Christians. Nor is it the introduction of a theocracy or a theonomy.

Anarchist is used in the sense of “no arky,” that is, “no human head,” or, more precisely, no merely human head. After all, the Christian anarchist is a worshipper of Jesus Christ, who is one of the three persons of the Godhead but who also came and took a human body like ours for His incarnation. The Christian anarchist view of Christ is orthodox: Jesus was both fully man and fully God.

It is the Christian anarchist view of human government and of the state that is especially distinct. He is in favor of human government. He knows that the only feasible form of government is self-government under God. Only a person who is undergoing regeneration can exercise meaningful self-control and self-govern. Because the human race was damaged at the Fall of man, we need a power outside of ourselves in order that we may live moral lives. Today, we can have the desire to live morally, but we lack the power to so live. That we must acquire from outside of ourselves. God is the source for both this desire and also this power.

Christianity, rightly understood, is the blossoming of a person. It means the fullest realization of what humanity is supposed to be in a person. Self, commitment to the old, coercive, selfishly formed humanity, must die. In its place we continue to be distinct persons, but released from bondage through Christ. We choose, voluntarily, the beauty of holiness; we choose the mind of Christ. We choose a kingdom where we live in a manner that is completely just toward others.

We recognize that the modern state is a machine for coercion and exploitation, that combinations of unconverted people must, inevitably produce enormous injustices, and that Satan exercises enormous control in all such structures. These structures constitute a bulwark of satanic lordship on earth. If the United State is the best that human government can produce, then we see the result: murder on a vast scale in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, theft of native American lands, treatment of the Pribiloff Aleuts as slave labor, the internment of 80,000 plus Japanese-Americans in concentration camps in 1942, a failure to live by its own Constitution in a long list of ways, an insatiable thirst for power and empire, and more.

The Christian anarchist recognizes that the best human government can do is facilitate the imposition of evil on human lives. Refusing to grant the state the legitimacies that it wants you to grant it does not mean rebellion against God but that you maintain your convictions and reservations about it; that you recognize it as part of the world that is passing away. You see it as a false hope, and insist on keeping your hope focused on the kingdom of God. The Christian anarchist is salt, preservative, God’s bulwark of true humanity, a taker of full personal responsibility for his actions. He reaps what he sows and what he sows is a world both just and merciful.

He prays for all those mere humans who are found in authority even as he cuts through the illusions of goodness ascribed to the human ruler. His eyes are open and his heart. God’s kingdom is his benchmark in a world that is found wholly under the imposition of satanic power (1 John 5:19). Jesus has defeated these powers (Colossians 2:15), and shows that He has done this, by transformed followers who take no part in coercion and refuse to offer their allegiance to any but God.

Source: https://christianandstate.wordpress....chism-anarchy/

Thoughts?

[jediwill83]

God gave us dominion over the Earth but He never gave us dominion of our fellow man. As Christians we are not to seek dominion over our fellow man and every war can be traced back to one group seeking dominion over another.

If we all were living regenerated lives there would be no need for secular government. Just my opinion.

[Amanah]

God's choice was a theocracy with prophets/judges like Samuel ruling. But that didn't work out because people wanted Kings and Kingdoms.

Since people insist on kingdoms, the best we can hope for is a separation of powers and limited Government as our founders intended.

But instead we are moving towards socialism, with the Federal Reserve (Central Bank), loss of freedom of speech, fighting for the right to bear arms, disintegration of the family, freedom of religion under attack, government control of every aspect of our lives, we are moving towards dictatorship.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

God gave us dominion over the Earth but He never gave us dominion of our fellow man. As Christians we are not to seek dominion over our fellow man and every war can be traced back to one group seeking dominion over another.

If we all were living regenerated lives there would be no need for secular government. Just my opinion.

Interesting reflection.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

God's choice was a theocracy with prophets/judges like Samuel ruling. But that didn't work out because people wanted Kings and Kingdoms.

Since people insist on kingdoms, the best we can hope for is a separation of powers and limited Government as our founders intended.

But instead we are moving towards socialism, with the Federal Reserve (Central Bank), loss of freedom of speech, fighting for the right to bear arms, disintegration of the family, freedom of religion under attack, government control of every aspect of our lives, we are moving towards dictatorship.

I agree, we are moving towards a dictatorship. However, it is a dictatorship run by corporations who are using corporate powers, lobbyists, and bribes to run our government from off stage. Our founders would have never allowed this. The dictatorship we're about to enter isn't what it appears to be on the outside. It's a corporatocracy. And these corporations sink billions into anti-government propaganda to get YOU to weaken the very government who can stop them.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I agree, we are moving towards a dictatorship. However, it is a dictatorship run by corporations who are using corporate powers, lobbyists, and bribes to run our government from off stage. Our founders would have never allowed this. The dictatorship we're about to enter isn't what it appears to be on the outside. It's a corporatocracy. And these corporations sink billions into anti-government propaganda to get YOU to weaken the very government who can stop them.

Yes, because the people with the money control everything. I don't know if we can even change it at this point.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Yes, because the people with the money control everything. I don't know if we can even change it at this point.

Oh... but didn't they promise us that if they gave away the public trust and lessened regulations on corporate power all that money and savings would trickle down???

It simply allowed those corporate powers to aggregate the majority of our nations wealth... leaving us begging them for bread in our own country.

Also, they preach "free market, free market".... but the regulations are in place to prevent previously unlawful consolidation and monopoly. Those regulations were in place to limit corporate influence in politics. Those regulations were in place to prevent major corporations from uniting to manipulate the market to crush competition and destroy the small business man.

In the end, those gullible voters who end up voting for those chanting about deregulation, lessening government power (to prosecute extortion and predatory business practices), and "free market"... are actually voting for policies that will remove the protections that actually keep the market free. In the end, the major corporations CONTROL the market. That ISN'T free market capitalism.

You can't have free market capitalism and keep it WITHOUT regulation.

That's why I say that these right-wing crony-capitalists want less government and fewer regulations for the very same reasons organized crime wants cops.

[Aquila]

Do you know what Iceland did to the CEO's and lending officers of banks who engaged in the very same kind of predatory lending that wrecked the housing market and helped sink the economy here under President Bush? Iceland prosecuted them and sent them to prison. LOL

Now, that's protecting the free market.

[Aquila]

Our Founders would have ROASTED Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart enters a Midwest town, and all the small businesses and mom-&-pop shops get pushed out of business because they can't compete. Like a gigantic shark, the corporation swims in and devours true free enterprise that is actually open to and sustaining the community. Today they reflect on the local grocery story that used to be on the corner, and the general store that was down the road, and the tackle & bait store that was on the edge of town. GONE. Where do they go now for 807% of their needs? Wal-Mart Inc.

Our Founders would have saw that as a form of public harm and would have either limited Wal-Mart's activities OR revoked their corporate charter altogether.

Remember, corporations are GOVERNMENT chartered. How in God's name did we get to the point wherein we think there's something wrong with the government regulating them???

[Esaias]

So, who's gonna deliver the mail and build the roads? lol

If we were all regenerate... but not all humans are. Therefore, governments are ordained by God to restrain the wickedness of man via temporal punishments.

There will be human government. Until the wicked are no more. The question is, Who will inform the powers and principalities of their duties? The wicked? Or the saints?