The Crux of the Pro-tithe Argument

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I am not questioning that tithing was practised prior to the Law. My original post is self-explanatory. Two pages worth of posts and not one person as even attempted to answer the question I posed. I find that to be rude.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm not trying to be rude, but what I'm asking is why was tithing a well maintained practice is the ancient world. Even prior to Abraham?

Could you please show references of tithing of wages from those pagans? Also, if you use history, I would think you would use it to confirm a development of a false teaching or to set the context for something from the scripture.

The tithing in the new testament is as weak as the baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Even if the ancient societies tithed to their priests, well, we are not pagans, and we are all priests in the Lord. Would that make us all qualified to receive tithing according to your pagan reference to support tithing?

I am thankful that the Bible speaks by itself, and more and more people are realizing tithing of wages, taught as an obedience to God issue, is a fraud, to the point that WSJ published an article about the situation no long ago.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm not trying to be rude, but what I'm asking is why was tithing a well maintained practice is the ancient world. Even prior to Abraham?

Not relevant to my question.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

The Abraham tithing was once. No record of systematic tithing, in fact, no record of Isaac doing it. Even Jacob made a covenant of tithing with the Lord, like if he didn't practice it and he wanted to establish it.
Abraham tithing was voluntary. The modern tithing is compulsory, under the threat of disobedience and cursing, which is the Law.

Even the tithing you find before the Law, is not the tithing they teach you at church. The tithing at church is from the Law, and even that is applied incorrectly.

Abraham tithed only once? How do you know? There is a Bible law that the Israelite was to bury his waste outside the camp Deuteronomy 23:13 Yet, no record of Isaac using the latrine, so should I believe that he never did?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Not relevant to my question.

Why not?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Abraham was following a practice which a huge portion of ancient societies followed. That was tithing the spoils of war. The tithes were made to the priestcraft of many religions, plus to the king, or leaders. New Testament is against the practice of circumcision. No longer was it of the flesh to make you a physical Judean/Israelite. But spiritual to bring you into the Israel of God, the domestic olive tree.

The New Testament wasn't against tithing because tithing was never practised to support elders in the local assembly. It was of produce and livestock inside Israel to support the Levites. Were all elders levites? No. How could they justify the collection of tithing among the Jewish Christians?

I can find examples of an organized effort to support the elders and to support the missionaries in the New Testament. I can also find direct commands saying you should give as you propose in your heart. Compelling people to tithe to support the elders, quoting the Law and its curse, is not Apostolic.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Abraham tithed only once? How do you know? There is a Bible law that the Israelite was to bury his waste outside the camp Deuteronomy 23:13 Yet, no record of Isaac using the latrine, so should I believe that he never did?

If the Bible didn't record a systematic tithing is because, I guess, it is not relevant to set a doctrine about it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Could you please show references of tithing of wages from those pagans? Also, if you use history, I would think you would use it to confirm a development of a false teaching or to set the context for something from the scripture.

The tithing in the new testament is as weak as the baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Even if the ancient societies tithed to their priests, well, we are not pagans, and we are all priests in the Lord. Would that make us all qualified to receive tithing according to your pagan reference to support tithing?

I am thankful that the Bible speaks by itself, and more and more people are realizing tithing of wages, taught as an obedience to God issue, is a fraud, to the point that WSJ published an article about the situation no long ago.

So, did Cain and Abel give all of their harvest? Did Abraham give all of the spoils of war to the priest? Why did the ancient Romans tithe 10 percent to the Temple of Saturn? Hey, I am just asking questions.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

If the Bible didn't record a systematic tithing is because, I guess, it is not relevant to set a doctrine about it?

Then why did the Bible bring it up at all?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Then why did the Bible bring it up at all?

Hebrews has the answer.