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Old 09-26-2018, 12:22 PM
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...the tone between Christians has become to disrespectful.



The rhetoric between communists and noncommunists has become "disrespectful". I wouldn't bother with any "gentlemanly dialogue" with the orcs pouring through the gates of Minas Tirith. Pleas for quaint dialogue with communists, subversives, and fellow travelers was never in order, certainly not at this point. In fact, dialogue is no longer possible in this nation between the progressive hobgoblins and legacy Americans.

The goblins use dialogue like Dracula lulling his victims into a complacent, distracted, stupor. And the Men of the West are, more and more, realizing the futility of talk.

We are on a trajectory that lands square in the bullseye of civil war. All politics has become dress rehearsal for armed conflict. Talking is what takes place while resupplying and maneuvering into position. All of this could have been avoided, but commies gotta do their thing and like the Terminator cyborg they never stop. So here we are.

Both sides have reached an impasse in this nation. Many normie types are discovering that yes, Grandma certainly does have big teeth, and are beginning to act accordingly. The socialists, progressive communist SJW liberals, and their neocon conservatard enablers, have brought us to this point.

I would strongly advise everyone to distance themselves from large metro areas, they tend to become death traps when nations go full-bore Yugoslavia.
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Old 09-26-2018, 12:44 PM
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Re: Senator Opposes Medicaid Expansion To Save Sou

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I would strongly advise everyone to distance themselves from large metro areas, they tend to become death traps when nations go full-bore Yugoslavia.
I was at a neighborhood breakfast last weekend.
The host pulled out some survival food to show me.
I asked him if he had ammo, he said "Yes."
I pointed out that we have tons of turkeys roaming the neighborhood and we are up against a wildlife preserve.

One of the ladies asked "are the turkeys edible?"
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Old 09-26-2018, 12:55 PM
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Re: Senator Opposes Medicaid Expansion To Save Sou

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Again 1.4 trillion can already be used for the program. Then you have the $500 billion (half a trillion) can be saved only by eliminating the administrative costs. That's just administrative costs.

All figures given by single payer opponents are based on current costs. Given that single payer not only eliminates $500 billion in administrative costs, it also empowers the government to negotiate prices. And once bills are actually paid by the single payer, losses generated by the uninsured will cease to be passed to the consumer. The cost estimates given by opponents are based on current costs, and are therefore, inflated.

And we haven't even gotten into cutting the budget of anything else to help pay for it. There are so many other stupid subsidies (corporate welfare), tax loopholes that are exploited that can be closed, and other silly programs that can be cut to pay for it.

As I've said, it could greatly reduce all the excessive silly programs. To pay for something that actually benefits everyone. Not just the poor and not just the wealthy.

And with businesses unshackled from providing insurance, wages and jobs might very well increase as businesses use that revenue competitively in the market place.
And what government program has ever "saved" money.
Every one that I can think of has underestimated what the program actually winds up costing.
Usually by two or three times as a difference.
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Old 09-26-2018, 12:58 PM
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Re: Senator Opposes Medicaid Expansion To Save Sou

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"""The system would be funded in part by the savings obtained from replacing today’s welter of inefficient, profit-oriented, private insurance companies – and the system-wide administrative waste they generate."""

"Vote for Democrats, they want to put private insurance companies out of business!"

Do you know how many people would lose their jobs over that $500 billion? I looked up the estimated number of employees in the health insurance industry -- over 463,000 employees.

I'd like you to tell them that they're going to lose their job and income because you want to save $500 billion for your single payer socialist dream.

At some point, they will lose their jobs anyway. The system isn't sustainable.

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IE corporate tax hikes. Good luck keeping companies in the US when you hike their taxes.

Well, you just put 463,000 out of work and hiked the corporate taxes for businesses -- so your claim that businesses would be unshackled and jobs would increase is moot.

This would not unshackle them. What you're calling for would actually shackle them with higher taxes and other regulatory issues.
If an employer offers health insurance, most group health insurance plans will require a contribution from the employer of at least 50 percent of the employees' premiums. When businesses relocate to other nations (as they increasingly are), they discover that the corporate taxes levied upon them for the national health insurance system of that country are less than the premiums they pay for employees in the United States. So, even with a corporate "tax hike" (as you put it), the tax hike would be less than what most are paying now for the ever rising premiums of their employees.

Even corporate America will save money with single payer. And they won't need to even think about shopping for and administrating any kind of group health insurance plan. A lot of larger companies have a Benefits Department that they have to pay for just to have staff on hand to handle the processing and explaining of employee benefits. That entire financial albatross will dissolve too.

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Old 09-26-2018, 01:03 PM
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Then don't quote my post and don't directly address your comment to me if you're "speaking about all of us in general."
Why are you being so nasty? lol

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I'm doing no such thing. All I have done is point out your blatant hypocrisy and the false accusation that my post "dropped to the gutter."
I'm not a hypocrite if I admit to having made the same mistake. I'm only a hypocrite if I claim I've never done it. I was just trying to elevate our dialogue. Jeesh.

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I do believe people can and should be civil. Don't put words in my post. Don't twist and try to claim I'm "implying" anything when I'm not. And if you do that junk, don't whine when I punch back.
I can feel the civility already.
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Old 09-26-2018, 01:04 PM
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The rhetoric between communists and noncommunists has become "disrespectful". I wouldn't bother with any "gentlemanly dialogue" with the orcs pouring through the gates of Minas Tirith. Pleas for quaint dialogue with communists, subversives, and fellow travelers was never in order, certainly not at this point. In fact, dialogue is no longer possible in this nation between the progressive hobgoblins and legacy Americans.

The goblins use dialogue like Dracula lulling his victims into a complacent, distracted, stupor. And the Men of the West are, more and more, realizing the futility of talk.

We are on a trajectory that lands square in the bullseye of civil war. All politics has become dress rehearsal for armed conflict. Talking is what takes place while resupplying and maneuvering into position. All of this could have been avoided, but commies gotta do their thing and like the Terminator cyborg they never stop. So here we are.

Both sides have reached an impasse in this nation. Many normie types are discovering that yes, Grandma certainly does have big teeth, and are beginning to act accordingly. The socialists, progressive communist SJW liberals, and their neocon conservatard enablers, have brought us to this point.

I would strongly advise everyone to distance themselves from large metro areas, they tend to become death traps when nations go full-bore Yugoslavia.
Wow. lol
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Old 09-26-2018, 01:05 PM
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I was at a neighborhood breakfast last weekend.
The host pulled out some survival food to show me.
I asked him if he had ammo, he said "Yes."
I pointed out that we have tons of turkeys roaming the neighborhood and we are up against a wildlife preserve.

One of the ladies asked "are the turkeys edible?"
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Old 09-26-2018, 01:06 PM
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And what government program has ever "saved" money.
Every one that I can think of has underestimated what the program actually winds up costing.
Usually by two or three times as a difference.
Do you think the elderly on Medicare/Medicaid can find cheaper insurance on the open market???
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Old 09-26-2018, 04:46 PM
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Re: Senator Opposes Medicaid Expansion To Save Sou

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At some point, they will lose their jobs anyway. The system isn't sustainable.
You don't know that. But good to know you're okay with hundreds of thousands of people losing their incomes. As long as it advances your socialist utopian dream.


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If an employer offers health insurance, most group health insurance plans will require a contribution from the employer of at least 50 percent of the employees' premiums. When businesses relocate to other nations (as they increasingly are), they discover that the corporate taxes levied upon them for the national health insurance system of that country are less than the premiums they pay for employees in the United States. So, even with a corporate "tax hike" (as you put it), the tax hike would be less than what most are paying now for the ever rising premiums of their employees.
I disagree.

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Even corporate America will save money with single payer. And they won't need to even think about shopping for and administrating any kind of group health insurance plan. A lot of larger companies have a Benefits Department that they have to pay for just to have staff on hand to handle the processing and explaining of employee benefits. That entire financial albatross will dissolve too.
YAY! More people will lose their jobs!

Sorry, but the numbers which have been done on single payer -- by left-leaning ones even -- do not agree with your claims that everyone will save money. Just as with other issues, you paint single payer as this perfect utopian dream.

Keep dreaming.
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Old 09-26-2018, 05:46 PM
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I was at a neighborhood breakfast last weekend.
The host pulled out some survival food to show me.
I bought some Mountain House stuff recently, it was actually pretty good. I'm going to stock up on a week or two supply of it. It's guaranteed for 30 years.

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I asked him if he had ammo, he said "Yes."
Locked and loaded at all times, save for when goobermint takes away my allegedly inalienable right by putting up a sticker.

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One of the ladies asked "are the turkeys edible?"
That's like the story of some people protesting animals being butchered for meat, and complaining that instead of butchering them, they could just buy meat at the store.







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