Glorified Flesh?

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Leaping to conclusions and missing a greater and overall point.

We were told these words recently ...

He was buried according to scripture and was resurrected the third day also according to scripture. If God’s spirit didn’t fill that VESSEL it would be nothing! To say the flesh exists today, you’ll have to believe that there are 2 gods, and that all things have not been fulfilled.

The idea here assumes that when Jesus died, the Spirit left the body, as though there is no purpose for God's Spirit to indwell that body any more, since the sacrifice was accomplished. This assumes all that the body was required to accomplish was provide a sinless sacrifice. There is no concept in this view that God will man rule the world in immortality as Adam would have done had he not fallen. Perhaps people think Jesus was only manifest as a human being for two things... provision of a sacrifice as well as be and Adam so that as old Adam caused many to be sinners, then new Adam causes many to be righteous. That is part of it, but still falls short. He is last Adam moreso for the purpose of there being an immortal man ruling over earth, which he shall accomplish after the resurrection. We rule with him now as kings and priests. But this shall continue in a magnified manner after the resurrection.

It also assumes that the body was visibly shown to disciples to show that He did die and fulfilled the purpose of the flesh. But that is simply erroneous. He resurrected to do far more than show anybody he actually died via the presentation of nail wounds and spear wound. That HUMMAN had to enter the holiest of Heaven as high priest and make atonement, where Hebrews 9 says was HEAVEN. And that HUMAN had to sit down and rule over earth as LAST MAN, which the first failed to do.


So, to say that there are two gods after the resurrection if the flesh of Jesus is immortal, because that somehow tells us that all things were not fulfilled, is a huge leap that is illogical and based on nothing in the bible. You have to assume the flesh of Christ will not exist after the sacrifice allegedly has been fulfilled, as though that was all that the body was for, in order to make this secondary assumption that it determines how many gods there are. No where does the bible teach that the death is the fulfilment of the purpose of the incarnation. That is something that has been assumed and made up, but is simply not found in scripture. It sounds good, but it's laid out in scripture.

So, since the bible DOES NOT SAY that after the purpose of the flesh dying on the cross the flesh is not longer needed, therefore, one believes in two gods if one thinks the flesh continues, is simply wild conjecture.

Oneness is not determined by whether or not the flesh has served its purpose. It is determined by how many persons are in the godhead. If God was one while manifested in flesh and at the same time His same singular person filled the universe as the Father, then if the flesh becomes immortal (as it did after the resurrection -- never to die again, according to Romans 6:9) and it is the same person manifested in it as is the Omnipresent SPpirit filling the universe, THAT IS ONENESS.

The fact about whether or the flesh was fulfilled in its purpose HAS NOTHING to do with Oneness. Oneness is not about the PURPOSE of flesh, but Who it is that manifests Himself through that flesh.

So, the basis of what oneness is all about has been compromised by this new-fangled idea that actually is unrelated to what determines oneness.

You can’t separate Jesus (spirit) from the God (spirit) they were one spirit; Gods spirit, the flesh was an instrument that obtained its purpose.

This, again, has nothing to do with manifesting in flesh before the cross or after the cross. God's Spirit and Jesus are one Spirit, and not just in unity. They are absolutely one in every way. That was the case before the cross and after the cross. Flesh had nothing to do with it before the cross or after the cross. Manifesting in flesh after the cross in no way changed that oneness than it did before the cross.

Why does God have to come back again? His word was fulfilled in 70 A.D, Jerusalem (Earth) and the Temple (Heaven) was destroyed for their wickedness. And the prophecy of Jesus came to pass (Matthew 24:34) that they’re we’re indeed some that heard the words of Jesus and saw the destruction and end of the world (age).

1 Cor 15 has not been fulfulled yet, as Paul looked in HIS FUTURE to a resurrection of the very thing that was dead with us.

Paul said it quite plainly.

1 Corinthians 15:35-36.. But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? ..(36).. Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Our bodies are the part of us that die as believers, and are, therefore, the part of us that are quickened, or resurrected and made alive again.

This has not happened yet to this day since Paul's day, past AD70 and on to today. And the entire basis for Jesus' resurrection is our resurrection. This informs us that if resurrection for us is of our bodies, and ours is the basis for His, and he would not have risen had it not been for the purpose of seeing us resurrect, then His physical resurrection furthermore establishes the fact that our bodies shall physically rise.

His is the firstfruits of ours, and not in visibility of showcase alone, without being first in numerical sequence in identical manner as His. Firstfruits means first of identicals to follow. His is the prototype, so to speak, of ours.

Third Epistle of John written after 70 A.D destruction (lllJohn 1:2) “....prosper, and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.” Instead of looking for a futuristic return of Jesus, we should (I’m not implying you don’t) be encountering church to reach for souls, to drive deeper into the spirit of God, be not yoked with this world, separate yourself with the spirits of this world, etc..

Reaching out for souls to be saved, and seeking a deeper relationship with Jesus is not abrogated just because one believes in a literal physical return of Jesus.

Please understand, I’m only going to say the following from what I have seen, I’m not saying this is everyone. The futuristic message births a spirit of complacency, fear, doubt. People ask me “why are so many leaving the church, young especially” look at what these young people have been fed the past 1-30 years, has it been what Paul declared in (l Corinthians 2:4) “And my speech, and my preaching was not with enticing words of mans wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of Power.” We had enough enticing words, mans wisdom, we need the spirit and power.

This is another grand leap of illogic with no basis in scripture saying that belief in a physical return of Jesus causes one to grow complacent and not reach out to souls, as if it is some infatuation with the physical. Belief in a second coming of Jesus in a physical body is not being carnal or fleshly like this writer assumes so illogically. He makes connects that are illogical and unfounded in scripture, based on what he has "seen" without getting that thought from the Bible itself. It's like he saw carnal believers who are complacent and believe in a literal physical return of Jesus, and did not realize there are carnal believers who are complacent and don't believe in a literal physical return of Jesus.

It's like this writer's whole world of doctrine is based on assumptions he made up in his mind without biblical foundation, and making loose connections that the Word itself never made.

And this false concept of NATURAL being PHYSICAL, missed so easily by not looking at all instances of the use of the term in the rest of the Bible, is a basis for this erring belief.