Adultery vs Fornication

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

If you see above ,the question i did was "what a 2nd or 3rd times married couple should do if they come to repentance"
Otherwise ,i know (we know very well) that no divorce is ever permitted to anyone. And if there is a possibility to be separate (for any reason) then must be un-married or reconcile with the ex-husband/wife
No blindness in Light. Every person who reads the Bible with the Spirit knows very well what pleased God and what not. But also every human being knows the deference between Fornication and Adultery.
The problem is if we want to obey or not. I dont WΑNT neither i can send any sinner,(except myself) to Hell. Anyone should choose where want to go , and whom they want to obey. I have also family members involved on that sin, do you think i am happy to know they go to hell if they dont repent? It should be nice if i could choose who goes to hell or not, because i could only send them to Heaven...but is not what we like or what we think is right ,neither our opinion makes something right. The opinion of God is what matter.
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Amen.

And in the blather above I do not see one rebuttal to my comments concerning the definitions of the word "porneia".

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

Yes the only subject under convertation os that. If the 2nd or 3rd time married vouple should brake up their adultery or if Lord accpet them as a couple (because they were married as non believers).
Of course a divorced man or women who comes to Jesus can not be married and if they do it, then repentance means to leave their sin.
Christians are not to divorce and if divorce " The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. "
So the only question is about a already married couple that did that when did not knew nothing for the law of God.

Now as for the paste sins...if i stole a bank and then i repent ,sure i am forgiven. But if i keep the stolen money ,is this repentance?
If i take drugs and repent ,He will forgive me, but if i continue to use...am i really forgiven?
Repentance means "leave your sins" . In the same manner ,if tomorrow i marry the wife of my brother (we are in adultery). If then i repent for the adultery i must also leave the adulterous relationship.
(so the question is not that simple, maybe is simple but is too hard to admit.
But in all that, we know that no divorce and not 2nd marriage is ever valid for a Christian. the only question is how to treat those who came from the world as a couple.
If he-she is divorced ,then must stay un-married or be reconciled to her ex, so what is fear for the couple?

It is obvious that you do not know how to read scripture in context. It is further obvious that Paul is addressing two types of believers, those who might consider instituting a separation and those who are abandoned by unbelieving spouses. To the latter, he lays no condition of reconciliation, declaring them not to be under bondage. Furthermore, I see nothing in church history, or in the epistles for that matter, where divorced and remarried people converting to Christ were ordered to abandon their second marriages. You would have us believe that children should have their home-life abruptly stripped away, all because of your poor reasoning skills.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

Yes this is biblical lexocon..
i am Greek fornication means only paid sex, or anything out of marriage.
Adultery is when one of the couple having sex or marry with an other.
And i dont say that because o know Greek, i believe that ,In general the Bible language is what matter ,is more important the Spiritual Language than Greek.

In other words, hermeneutical skills are trumped by your pet doctrine.

Please, stop trying to teach scripture.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Peter, there is a spiritual component to all this, so do not be too concerned about the wide variety of disagreements. Just walk in holiness and faith, and go into dialog only when there seems to be a deep sincerity.

Just a reminder.

Yours in Jesus name,
Steven

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Just a reminder.

Yours in Jesus name,
Steven

In other words, he should just ignore those who refute and debunk his false doctrine.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Originalist

In other words, he should just ignore those who refute and debunk his false doctrine.

Nope.

You always have to make a decision as to who is involved in sincere discussion. And with such gentlemen and ladies you generally do have iron sharpeneth dialog, agree or disagree or mixed.

Personally, I have learned a lot in that regard over the years.

This is a general truism over many doctrines and beliefs, however I think it applies especially strongly to the marriage permanence question.

There is a lot of bluster and hubris that simply is not worth effort and energy. There are many conflicting excuses and rationales given, and there is a big mulberry bush that can be traversed 100 times. Folks who are in, or countenancing, adultery, often really, really do not want to search out the issues.

Churches do not want to risk losing tithes and offering paying members. Pastors who have gigs of "marrying" people like to have a rationale that the second and third marriage (with covenant one-flesh spouse very much alive) is actually ok before God. All things are new. The original spouse is dead before God. They were not in Christian faith. The adultery was only the first night, now it is gone-sin. The list is quite long.

The idea that they may be facilitators of adultery is an idea that they would like to shut out from consciousness.

And a public forum is not always the best spot, since the issues can be a tad delicate in practical application.

Sometimes a 3rd party comes along, with real solid inquiry, thoughts, proposals and discussions. Then you ask the Lord Jesus to supply wisdom and direction and discretion.

Steven

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

In other words, hermeneutical skills are trumped by your pet doctrine.

Please, stop trying to teach scripture.

Υes my skills come from the Holy Spirit .not from Theological schools.
I know now you are feeling angry ,but that is our reaction when something bother us.
So the next step to take (after you are angry) is to test your self ,what bothers you? And what really the Scriptures are telling you (dont run to commentaries.Just look the facts) .if your conscience does not bother you then let me go to hell un-married and do what you want.

With love!
(church history you said? welll , second time married were not allowed to participate in the Lords super speak from the pulpit and in general " if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." )

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Just a reminder.
"Peter, there is a spiritual component to all this, so do not be too concerned about the wide variety of disagreements. Just walk in holiness and faith, and go into dialog only when there seems to be a deep sincerity."
Yours in Jesus name,
Steven

Yes you are right. I ask the opinions ,or better the experiense to see what happen in the Churches. Or how people see those things that happening.
Sure there are many sincere people in churches who permit whatever and they are standing firmly to the Word and some times are leaving out those churches because of those issues.
However i dont want to debate with anyone "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear"
"3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears"
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
God bless you. (any observations you have about the subject are welcome)

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

Υes my skills come from the Holy Spirit .not from Theological schools.
I know now you are feeling angry ,but that is our reaction when something bother us.
So the next step to take (after you are angry) is to test your self ,what bothers you? And what really the Scriptures are telling you (dont run to commentaries.Just look the facts) .if your conscience does not bother you then let me go to hell un-married and do what you want.

With love!
(church history you said? welll , second time married were not allowed to participate in the Lords super speak from the pulpit and in general " if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." )

The Holy Spirit does not violate the basic laws of interpreting scripture. You sound like a Charismatic nut.

Furthermore, you cannot cite in the epistles any invalidation of second marriages or commands to leave second spouses upon conversion. Post-Apostolic Christianity did not order such separations either, though disqualifications for certain offices did occur. For that matter, Christ didn't invalidate second marriages.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The Holy Spirit does not violate the basic laws of interpreting scripture. You sound like a Charismatic nut.

Furthermore, you cannot cite in the epistles any invalidation of second marriages or commands to leave second spouses upon conversion. Post-Apostolic Christianity did not order such separations either, though disqualifications for certain offices did occur. For that matter, Christ didn't invalidate second marriages.

Οκ i understand that you have your own opinion , you said it ,you asked me also to give you scriptures for this and i gave you, so now please dont continue to violate the post.
(if you really read the Bible then you should knew that divorce is not alloed and if for any reason a couple is separate then must stay un-married. 100% sure for All Christians!)
Now If you have little fear of God you should be more careful how and for what you speak)