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Old 07-23-2018, 08:08 AM
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What about that prophesy?

Wisdom of Solomon

Chapter 2:

Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.

12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because he is not for our turn, and he is clean contrary to our doings: he upbraideth us with our offending the law, and objecteth to our infamy the transgressings of our education.

13 He professeth to have the knowledge of God: and he calleth himself the child of the Lord.

14 He was made to reprove our thoughts.

15 He is grievous unto us even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, his ways are of another fashion.

16 We are esteemed of him as counterfeits: he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: he pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh his boast that God is his father.

17 Let us see if his words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of him.

18 For if the just man be the son of God, he will help him, and deliver him from the hand of his enemies.

19 Let us examine him with despitefulness and torture, that we may know his meekness, and prove his patience.

20 Let us condemn him with a shameful death: for by his own saying he shall be respected.

21 Such things they did imagine, and were deceived: for their own wickedness hath blinded them.


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Old 07-23-2018, 09:51 PM
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Re: What about that prophesy?

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Wisdom of Solomon

Chapter 2:

Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.

12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because he is not for our turn, and he is clean contrary to our doings: he upbraideth us with our offending the law, and objecteth to our infamy the transgressings of our education.

13 He professeth to have the knowledge of God: and he calleth himself the child of the Lord.

14 He was made to reprove our thoughts.

15 He is grievous unto us even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, his ways are of another fashion.

16 We are esteemed of him as counterfeits: he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: he pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh his boast that God is his father.

17 Let us see if his words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of him.

18 For if the just man be the son of God, he will help him, and deliver him from the hand of his enemies.

19 Let us examine him with despitefulness and torture, that we may know his meekness, and prove his patience.

20 Let us condemn him with a shameful death: for by his own saying he shall be respected.

21 Such things they did imagine, and were deceived: for their own wickedness hath blinded them.


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Wisdom 2:1 (Brenton)
(1) For the ungodly said, reasoning with themselves, but not aright, Our life is short and tedious, and in the death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.
The chapter represents the reasonings of the wicked against the righteous, against God, etc. It is believed to be a prophecy of Christ's death, but it is not presented as such. It is rather presented as the mindset of the wicked against the godly. As Christ is in fact godly, and His killers ungodly, the text bears out as an accurate example and insight into the mind of those opposed to Christ.

Either that, or it is a Christian interpolation into the Jewish text. Note, the ISBE (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia maintains the book is a pre-Christian Alexandrian Jewish writing without trace of Christian authorship).
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:28 AM
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Re: What about that prophesy?

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Wisdom 2:1 (Brenton)
(1) For the ungodly said, reasoning with themselves, but not aright, Our life is short and tedious, and in the death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.
The chapter represents the reasonings of the wicked against the righteous, against God, etc. It is believed to be a prophecy of Christ's death, but it is not presented as such. It is rather presented as the mindset of the wicked against the godly. As Christ is in fact godly, and His killers ungodly, the text bears out as an accurate example and insight into the mind of those opposed to Christ.

Either that, or it is a Christian interpolation into the Jewish text. Note, the ISBE (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia maintains the book is a pre-Christian Alexandrian Jewish writing without trace of Christian authorship).
Yes i kjnow that thsoe texts were not Christian.Septuagint were written 300 years before Christ and those apocrypha books were founded in Dead sea scrolls too!Some in Hebrew too!
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