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Old 08-14-2019, 08:49 AM
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Re: Verses showing the Triune Godhead in each vers

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Let's add 2 more ...

John 14:16-17
"And I (Jesus) will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth"

John 16:13-16
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; a little while, and you will not see Me; and again a
little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father."

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Sorry BC but look at what you are doing. You are assuming 3 God persons are in the verses. Now if one admits to believing in 3 Gods I could see why they believe what they do.

Coming from the view of One God I see it more like this. Jesus speaks of praying to the Father. Yes. We get it. But was he speaking as God, or a God person?

If so then we can eliminate a truth that is in the Old and New Testament, namely that there is ONE GOD. ALSO does it not seem strange that if Jesus here is praying to the Father AS ANOTHER GOD, OR GOD PERSON, that he would need to pray to anyone AT ALL in order to accomplish his will?

The truth here seems to be that THE MAN Jesus was praying to God. That way the Oneness of God is maintained. Jesus was God MANifested in the flesh. A real man in the incarnation. It was outside the incarnation he was God.

It still works that way.

1 Tim. 2:5

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.

There is one God and one man.

Jesus is BOTH God and man SIMULTANEOUSLY amen?
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Old 08-14-2019, 12:45 PM
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Re: Verses showing the Triune Godhead in each vers

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Jesus is BOTH God and man SIMULTANEOUSLY amen?
Yes, amen.

John 1:1,14 ...
The Word was God
The Word was with God
The Word became Jesus
Jesus is God

I guess the Holy Spirit was taking a nap during all of this. Amen?
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Old 08-15-2019, 06:28 AM
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Re: Verses showing the Triune Godhead in each vers

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Let's add 2 more ...

John 14:16-17
"And I (Jesus) will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth"

John 16:13-16
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; a little while, and you will not see Me; and again a
little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father."

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You forgot John 14:18 "Jesus speaking" I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. You also missed a part of verse 17.

If one has the Holy Spirit, that is none other than the Spirit of Christ. There is only ONE. not three

You can't just pick and choose to fit the trinity.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:01 AM
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You forgot John 14:18 "Jesus speaking" I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
You also missed a part of verse 17.
If one has the Holy Spirit, that is none other than the Spirit of Christ. There is only ONE. not three
You can't just pick and choose to fit the trinity.
Sorry, I omitted those for brevity ...
... I wasn't trying to hide anything.

I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ ...
... nor am I ashamed of the precious word of God!

No such thing as "the Spirit of Christ" in Scripture.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father").

Would you care to explain John 1:1,14 from a Oneness perspective?
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:19 PM
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No such thing as "the Spirit of Christ" in Scripture.
Romans 8:9

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father").
If this is what you believe you have never been taught by sophisticated, elite Trinitarians.

They teach God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost are co equal and co eternal persons each one distinct from the other. They would not allow for "roles" in their explanation of this Trinity.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:23 PM
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Would you care to explain John 1:1,14 from a Oneness perspective?
Im sure one of us will. In the meantime a good while back I explained to you who is the Father of Jesus. You said it would take time to absorb. Have you been absorbing?

Let me remind you what I wrote.


Who is the Father of Jesus?

Peter knew.

Acts 3:13

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13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
I agree fully with Pete. The Father of Jesus is the GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC, AND JACOB.

Do you agree? If you say yes we can move on to the next question.

Who is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob?

Moses met him in Exodus 3:4-6

4And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Here we see the one Apostle Peter said was the Father of Jesus. Amen?

Exodus 3:13-15

13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Now we can see plainly the identity of the God of Abe, Issac, and Jacob. He is called I AM. Amen?

So I AM is the Father of Jesus Christ according to Apostle Peter in Acts 3:13.

If we miss this we will never be able to identify the Father of Jesus.

NOW.....who is Jesus?

John 8:56-59

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Ok the Father of Jesus is I AM. Agreed?

Jesus is I AM agreed?

Are there two I AM's?

Or is Jesus BOTH........the Father and the Son?

Is Jesus the I AM the Father of Jesus? Is that Bible?

Isaiah 9:6

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Did Isaiah say the Christ would be BOTH......The Father and the Son?

Did Jesus confirm it?

John 14:7-9


7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jesus reproved Phil for seeking to know the Father except by him! All Phil wanted was to know the Father APART FROM JESUS. The same thing Trins claim as part of their orthodox faith!

So who is the Father of Jesus? You tell me.

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Old 08-15-2019, 02:36 PM
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God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost are co equal and co eternal persons each one distinct from the other. They would not allow for "roles" in their explanation of this Trinity.
Okay, who was the "Father" of "our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"?
The man part of Him, obviously.
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So who is the Father of Jesus? You tell me.
Thanks for taking the time to explain Oneness to me!

I previously said ...
-- if you have One, you have all Three
-- Jesus is called the Spirit (in one of the gospels)
-- the Word (Jesus) is Almighty God, Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6)
-- the Word (Jesus) is "I AM" (John 8:24, 8:58, etc.)

Father God is "I AM" (Exodus 3).
They obviously are all "I AM".
They are 3 Manifestations of the same One God.
This One God chose to represent Himself to mankind in this manner!

These 3 Manifestations are even in the OT.
It appears that God the Father and the Spirit of God
were at the Creation (Genesis 1) ...
(but we know that Jesus actually did the creating: 5+ NT verses).
God the Son is talked about in Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, etc.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father"-Luke 1:35)

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Okay, who was the "Father" of "our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"?
The man part of Him, obviously.
The Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary.

So, it is the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Ghost is the Father.

Did I win?

How many times have I said that Trinitarians believe in literally three gods.
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Thanks for taking the time to explain Oneness to me!

I previously said ...
-- if you have One, you have all Three
-- Jesus is called the Spirit (in one of the gospels)
-- the Word (Jesus) is Almighty God, Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6)
-- the Word (Jesus) is "I AM" (John 8:24, 8:58, etc.)

Father God is "I AM" (Exodus 3).
They obviously are all "I AM".
They are 3 Manifestations of the same One God.
This One God chose to represent Himself to mankind in this manner!

These 3 Manifestations are even in the OT.
It appears that God the Father and the Spirit of God
were at the Creation (Genesis 1) ...
(but we know that Jesus actually did the creating: 5+ NT verses).
God the Son is talked about in Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, etc.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father"-Luke 1:35)

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No, from everything you posted there is no one individual god, but many.
You believe god outside of the Torah. The Israelites believed in an invisible one god. No seperations whatsoever. He was God all by Himself, and shared His glory with no one else. There were none besides Him. God knew of no other gods.
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