Where exactly the UPCI got tithing from?

[coksiw]

Well, look what I found:

https://pentecostalarchives.org

[coksiw]

Look at the process of formalization of tithing in the Church of God, Cleveland towards ministry, explained here well, starting on page 10:

https://pentecostalarchives.org/?a=d...the-----------

[coksiw]

I found several articles, including Pentecostal Herald from 1922, encouraging people to tithe on the promise that God will prosper you back. They appeal to testimonies.

One example, of a few I've seen so far: Pentecostal Herald

https://pentecostalarchives.org/?a=d...+of+the+USA---

[coksiw]

The general appeal I see in those writings is to personal testimonies of God fulfilling the promise of Malachi and prospering people back. A "lite" version of the prosperity doctrine.

The other appeal is to "duty", "self-sacrifice", as a test of your dedication to God, while the goal is to supply salaries for the ministers.

Contrast that with the Apostles:

[Gal 2:9-10 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10 Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

[Act 20:33-35 KJV] 33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.


But again, I have no problem to support the ministry, even full time. Don't get me wrong. But I perceive a difference in overall attitude between the NT and the tithing advocates, and lack of compassion on the poor by slowing moving from "encouraging" to tithe to ensure a cash flow for the ministers to a "duty/self-sacrifice test", to a fundamental "truth" making it a requirement to participate in the congregation.

[coksiw]

NOW, this one how the doctrine of imposed tithing on the Church of God (Cleveland) came along is very interesting:

https://pentecostalarchives.org/?a=d...the-----------


Remember that the one from 1919 is topic of the receiver of the tithe. It "resolves" the issue of those saints giving the tithe to other purposes (literally "to what the Lord leads them to"), beside ministers.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Compiled Minutes from the General Assemblies of God from 1914-1920:

It does not have the tithe as a fundamental truth, but it resolves that:



https://archives.ifphc.org/DigitalPu.../1914-1920.pdf

That shows that the doctrine was already in the oven but was not part of the fundamental truth at least in 1920. It is still not as of today.

Wow, they specifically contradicted the Biblical statement about one of the main purposes of the tithe:

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Man, that has been presented many times in this forum. I can't believe you are asking for that. You can trace the incorporation of tithing on congergations as an post-apostolic doctrine, in the early Christians manuscripts, the same way you can see that with the Trinity.

The first idea of tithing congregations to support the pour (not the ministers) was like in the third century, yet was never implemented. The first imposition on congregations to support the minister came in France if I recall correctly, in the 5th century.

I have the feeling you want people to say "the UPCI got tithing from the Bible", like "duh obviously", but this thread is in a context, and the context was set by the OP, and it is about the twisted contextualization of the OT tithing on landowners and cattle owners to the believers incomes in the congregation. I just hope that's not what you want people to say with your questions.

You see I ( and others ) can point to the advent of the Trinity and certain forms of eschatologies’ advent into Christendom. As for tithing it’s a bit more hazy. Usually it finds its way into the lower scales of Christendom. It’s not found in the Eastern or Western Roman Churches, or part of the Reformists. It looks like it came on the back of the Restorationist movements. Yet wasn’t part of the movement during the reign of the Campbellites. So, no reason to have a fit. I’m asking for discussion which Tithemister is willing to have.

[diakonos]

Recall years ago a Mormon kid tried to convince me that the RCC takes tithes directly out of our paychecks.

Then never took tithes out of my parents checks. They DID send a small box of personalized envelopes in the mail. I don’t know if it was enough for the liturgical season, or for the year.

They had our household name and address, and the church name and address.
Made it pretty easy to slip a check in the mail.

We never used the envelopes. We’d slip a dollar or two when the basket was passed around.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Recall years ago a Mormon kid tried to convince me that the RCC takes tithes directly out of our paychecks.

Then never took tithes out of my parents checks. They DID send a small box of personalized envelopes in the mail. I don’t know if it was enough for the liturgical season, or for the year.

They had our household name and address, and the church name and address.
Made it pretty easy to slip a check in the mail.

We never used the envelopes. We’d slip a dollar or two when the basket was passed around.

Neither the Eastern or Western Roman church practice tithing. Dollar offerings are the norm for traditional Catholics.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Neither the Eastern or Western Roman church practice tithing. Dollar offerings are the norm for traditional Catholics.

You are correct.