Apparent mass shooting on Las Vegas Strip

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Has anyone heard anything debunking of the videos showing a gunman on the 4th floor?

There are three videos of that.

1. They don't show a gunman, only flashes.

2. No evidence of busted windows on 4th floor. I hear the windows don't open, either, to prevent suicides.

3. No actual video evidence of any shots actually being fired at all from anywhere. Which is interesting.

LVPD/LVCSO scanner feeds have units reporting possible gunman on 4th floor, but no confrontations or actual sightings, except an officer claiming to see shots coming from "about a third of the way up the building, possibly 6th floor or so."

I have serious questions about the "scanner feeds" though.

[Sean]

I knew it!!!....



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/04...-massacre.html

[Monterrey]

Mass murderers and psychotic medicine. Go together like a hand and glove.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Mass murderers and psychotic medicine. Go together like a hand and glove.

Got to love when the great military experiment from one of the WW’s spills over into the general public.

[Amanah]

on a side note:

Gun control in Europe is almost total. It hasn't stopped mass shooting attacks like Las Vegas

Within hours of the horrible attack in Las Vegas, before we knew most of the relevant facts about the tragedy, gun control advocates were calling for more gun control. Here is something I would like those advocates to consider: Europe, which has all the gun controls that are being pushed in the aftermath of the Las Vegas carnage, has actually suffered more bloodshed from these types of attacks than the U.S.

You heard that right: Countries such as France may have made all semi-automatic guns illegal, but that hasn’t stopped killers from getting fully automatic machine guns to use in mass shooting attacks. All four of the 2015 mass public shooting in France involved machine guns, including the 130 people killed in November of that year in multiple attacks including one at a concert venue.

In the 1970s, 80s and 90s, Europe saw machine gun attacks in airports and nightclubs by groups such as Black September and the Red Army Faction. In fact, machine guns are commonly used in mass shootings in the rest of the world.

This has not been the case here in the U.S. In fact, Sunday’s attack on a country music festival in Las Vegas – that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 wounded – may be the first mass public shooting in the U.S. involving a machine gun, if it turns out the killer did use such a weapon. According to a Wall Street Journal report, the gunman, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, is believed to have used at least one fully automatic weapon – weapons that are heavily restricted under U.S. federal law.

It is an attack that is likely to rank 14th in the most deadly mass public shooting in the world since 1970. It is the worst ever in the United States, according to data collected by the Center for Crime Research where I am founder and president.

There were 29 such shootings (four or more fatalities in a public place, according to the FBI’s official definition) in the U.S. during the eight years of the Obama administration; 26 in Europe. The rate at which people are killed is virtually the same in the European Union as in the United States.

Again, many of the facts about what happened in Las Vegas remain unknown at the moment, including exactly what type of firearm the gunman used. But one sad fact that everyone calling for gun control needs to consider is that, as Europe has shown, you can have all the gun control laws you want and you still won’t be able to stop horrors like this from happening.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...las-vegas.html

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Amanah

on a side note:

Gun control in Europe is almost total. It hasn't stopped mass shooting attacks like Las Vegas

Within hours of the horrible attack in Las Vegas, before we knew most of the relevant facts about the tragedy, gun control advocates were calling for more gun control. Here is something I would like those advocates to consider: Europe, which has all the gun controls that are being pushed in the aftermath of the Las Vegas carnage, has actually suffered more bloodshed from these types of attacks than the U.S.

You heard that right: Countries such as France may have made all semi-automatic guns illegal, but that hasn’t stopped killers from getting fully automatic machine guns to use in mass shooting attacks. All four of the 2015 mass public shooting in France involved machine guns, including the 130 people killed in November of that year in multiple attacks including one at a concert venue.

In the 1970s, 80s and 90s, Europe saw machine gun attacks in airports and nightclubs by groups such as Black September and the Red Army Faction. In fact, machine guns are commonly used in mass shootings in the rest of the world.

This has not been the case here in the U.S. In fact, Sunday’s attack on a country music festival in Las Vegas – that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 wounded – may be the first mass public shooting in the U.S. involving a machine gun, if it turns out the killer did use such a weapon. According to a Wall Street Journal report, the gunman, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, is believed to have used at least one fully automatic weapon – weapons that are heavily restricted under U.S. federal law.

It is an attack that is likely to rank 14th in the most deadly mass public shooting in the world since 1970. It is the worst ever in the United States, according to data collected by the Center for Crime Research where I am founder and president.

There were 29 such shootings (four or more fatalities in a public place, according to the FBI’s official definition) in the U.S. during the eight years of the Obama administration; 26 in Europe. The rate at which people are killed is virtually the same in the European Union as in the United States.

Again, many of the facts about what happened in Las Vegas remain unknown at the moment, including exactly what type of firearm the gunman used. But one sad fact that everyone calling for gun control needs to consider is that, as Europe has shown, you can have all the gun control laws you want and you still won’t be able to stop horrors like this from happening.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...las-vegas.html

This is what is hard to understand by the gun control crowd. No matter how illegal something is the legality does not halt or suppress it. Is heroin legal? Is the opioid epidemic over? The list could go on and on. Its an old question, but still valid, Can you name the manufacturer and caliber of the gun Cain used to kill Abel??? Where is the anti diesel and fertilizer crowd?? Where is the pressure cooker and ball bearing control advocates?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Mass murderers and psychotic medicine. Go together like a hand and glove.

Yes, and that is well documented

[n david]

This is interesting . . .

"""3 weeks ago, on 9/11 a mysterious 4chan user who went only by “John” made a series of at the time overlooked posts. He warned users to stay away from any gatherings of large groups of people in the Vegas or nearby Henderson areas. Stating that he had insider knowledge of what he referred to as a “high incident project” that was set to occur soon."""

Basically, "John" claims this was set up by Vegas Billionaire Casino owner Sheldon Adelson and former GWB DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff. The gist is as a result of the massacre, Casinos would install costly security systems including metal detectors and body scanners. OSI Systems builds "X-ray machines, metal detectors, and other expensive security related devices," it's stock is at an all-time high. It has skyrocketed in the aftermath of the massacre. Chertoff's Chertoff Group specializes in body scanners and other security risk management. Soros is also named in this, as a big investor into OSI Systems Inc.


https://squawker.org/politics/4chanvegas/

https://squawker.org/analysis/shadowvegas/

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

This is what is hard to understand by the gun control crowd. No matter how illegal something is the legality does not halt or suppress it. Is heroin legal? Is the opioid epidemic over? The list could go on and on. Its an old question, but still valid, Can you name the manufacturer and caliber of the gun Cain used to kill Abel??? Where is the anti diesel and fertilizer crowd?? Where is the pressure cooker and ball bearing control advocates?

You're so right. Gun control will not stop these mass shootings.

The real answer isn't a political one. It's a spiritual one.

We all know that the real solution is Jesus. But this world has rejected Him and will wax worse and worse as a result. I'm no prophet, but I firmly believe that no matter what our politicians do, there will be more mass shootings. And eventually one will be worse than this one.

As we sojourn in this world below, the only thing that can protect us and those we love is the power of prayer.

[n david]

Here's a video which shows the "bump fire" mod in action on an AR15. After watching this, I would be in favor of Congress passing a bill banning use of this, as well as trigger cranks.