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Old 02-02-2009, 12:19 PM
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Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

In the next few months, sources are confirming, that the big buzzword in some OP circles will be Apostolic Identity.

Some will be promoting this concept ... as to address some of the holiness dress standards that SOME apostolics have held throughout the years and the 3 step Water and Spirit doctrine that many (not all) held in the last century.

Beginning with Chester Wright's letter to Kenneth Haney before last year's General Board meeting ... and the actions resolved at that meeting expect this year's North American Youth Congress and other venues to be saturated with a one-sided sanitized view of "Apostolic Idenitity".

The Apostolic Report wrote about last year's meeting saying:

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At their latest board meeting, the General Board of the United Pentecostal Church had an extended discussion (about 3 hours) regarding the importance of maintaining their identity as a holiness movement and upholding their positions as stated in the Articles of Faith.

There was a consensus among the board that they need to uphold and reaffirm these teachings. The General Superintendent is set to write a letter to the UPC constituency to express their commitment to the Articles of Faith.

The General Board also concluded that it is not enough simply to reaffirm their position, but they must implement practical ways to teach biblical holiness. Over the next few months, various methods will be used to accomplish this goal; publications, General Conference, Global Impact, and other methods.

In a recent open letter to the ministers of the Texas District, District Superintendent Danny Russo had this to say about the board meeting:
“I want to commend our General Superintendent for giving ample time for expression during this discussion. I left the General Board meeting very encouraged and optimistic about the future of the UPCI. While we are reaching the lost and growing His Kingdom, we must not leave the foundation upon which we are built.”
On a related note, the General Youth Division also presented some plans for Youth Congress in 2009 that will help to accomplish this goal. They want to avoid some of the problems and concerns that have occurred in the past. The General Youth Division will also be developing platform guidelines for Youth Congress and Bible Quizzing participants.
Seemingly, gone are the days of Dora the Explorer and usher in the day of reactionary dogmatism?

A close look at that speakers at this year's NAYC give a clear indication that some of the leadership within the org will roll up there sleeves.

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General Session Speakers:
  • Shay Mann
  • Wayne Huntley
  • Wayne Francis
  • Brent Coltharp
  • Tim Rutledge
Split Session Speakers:
  • Kenneth Haney
  • Jerry Jones
  • Paul Mooney
  • Tom Ellis
  • Robby Emery
  • Akil Thompson
  • Chris Endsley
  • Nathaniel Binion
Music:
  • Justin Conway
There is also mention of a “special general session celebrating Apostolic Identity.”

http://www.northamericanyouthcongress.org/
I fully expect men like Nathaniel Binion and David Bernard to lead the intellectual arguments in this campaign.

On November 7-8, 2008, the Urshan Graduate School of Theology (UGST) hosted “Standing Together for Truth,” their annual symposium.

An article written for Ninetyandnine.com describes Bernard's talks as follows:

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Holiness and Culture
UGST President David Bernard gave an excellent presentation on holiness in the 21st century. While many denominations which began with a similar approach to holiness have regressed over the years, the Apostolic Pentecostal movement has typically remained steadfast in this area. Does this mean that we are out of date, or that we need to change to be relevant to our times? Some things in the Bible reflect a particular cultural context, but holiness is a biblical principle that does not change. Bernard did a wonderful job of illustrating why holiness remains relevant in any culture.
While Binion gave a presentation on "emerging" church ...

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Emergent or Emerging?
Additionally, there was a lot of discussion on the Emergent Church. Bro. Nathaniel Binion gave a presentation detailing definitions and distinctions between the Emerging Church and the Emergent Church. He also described proper responses from the AP movement to the Emergent Church, coining the phrase and discouraging the idea of “Pentecostal McCarthyism.” A following session looked at the challenges presented to the Church by emerging communication technologies, and how to form community and minister in such a context.
In the next few months there will be serious challenges to the multi-faceted truths concerning our diverse Apostolic heritage.

Our voices will not and cannot be silenced ...

Sites like this one I hope will continue to give a balanced picture about our history, diversity ... and yes ... OUR IDENTITY.

Come let us reason .... For such a time as this ....
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:26 PM
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

Sounds like a great plan. Emphasize inward holiness.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:33 PM
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

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Sounds like a great plan. Emphasize inward holiness.
It would not seem that that would be the game plan, however. The history of the movement, in general, seems to stress the outward. While it is taught as an expression of the inward, the outward is usually what gets the spotlight, allowing the inward to deteriorate to become whited sepulchers, filled with dead mens' bones.

When is someone really going to get it that you can't legislate holiness?!?! Biblically explicit examples are one thing. But subjective, arbitrary interpretation and execution of principle-based ordinances upon the masses is not going to make anyone holy. Why can't they see that?
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Well I don't know whats going on but I do know something is going on because my pastor is starting to talk about other upc churches and how they are starting to think on things diffrently he said that all the pentecostals should be call apostolics because pentecost was just a time and it is the apostolic doctrine that is taught. But he has mentioned other UPC churches in the past..
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:45 PM
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

I love the UPCI and the people in the UPCI, but I honestly have to say that I think they are frozen in time. It appears, and I know there are many in the UPCI that this doesn’t describe, but it appears that they are radically focused on their definition of external holiness which, in my opinion, is based on a 1950’s dress standard and a misinterpretation of I Corinthians 11 regarding hair. Their standard against television is laughable in this age of the internet and for the sheer fact that most members of the UPCI have televisions, though they call them “monitors”, or stream programming over the internet.

I love the UPCI, but I firmly believe she needs “reformation” and then she will see a “revival”. The old wineskin can’t hold what God wants to do in this last hour.

I believe what makes us "Apostolic" is the Oneness of God and the Acts 2:38 experience. When it comes to holiness, emphasize modesty without extremes of fashion or style, and teach a holiness based on the Ten Commandments. That's my angle.

God bless.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:48 PM
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

Bernard's position paper:

http://www.ugst.org/uploaded/Symposium/2008/Papers/HolinessAndCulture_Bernard.pdf
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:53 PM
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The one thing that never changes is that things always change. They can't fight it forever.
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

It was funny this morning my wifes hair comes down to her backside and she was fighting with it this morning getting the tangles out and I was just laughing she was getting so fustrated I told her that I don't think Jesus wants her fighting with her hair like that..
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I like how Bernard demonstrates that "greeting each other with a holy kiss" is cultural, but Hair, and dress isn't.
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:08 PM
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

If the first century church thought like us and existed in continuity until this day.... we'd all still be wearing robes with inner and outer garments.

My wife's hair was past her backside and she got it cut this past Saturday. It now hits her just about her shoulder blades. For those who think it's short I'd like to ask... would it be okay if I wore my hair that long? What's nature teachin' ya? lol
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