Empires in the Book of Revelation

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's because "the Antichrist" is a non Biblical myth, the Bible never says anything about "the Antichrist".

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/2-22.htm

... οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἀντίχριστος...

Note the emboldened word ὁ. It is one of several definite articles in Koine Greek and corresponds to the English word "the". "The antichrist" is not a "non-Biblical" myth. Rather, as 1 John 2:21 begins, it shows that the antichrist is the liar:

Τίς ἐστιν ὁ ψεύστης...

Who is the liar...?

The antichrist is the liar.

What's the lie that the liar/antichrist proliferates?

Denying Jesus is the Christ.

How are these liars/antichrists able to proliferate the lie that Jesus is not the Christ?

The spirit of the antichrist"...

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/4-3.htm

...τοῦτό ἐστιν τὸ τοῦ ἀντιχρίστου...

Note this time a different emboldened word, namely τοῦ. This is another Koine Greek definite article, specifically the genitive form, again corresponding to the English word [of] the.

This spirit of the antichrist operates in those who deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

We see therefore that the Holy Scriptures do speak of "the antichrist". Just not in the way many popularized views have expressed over the years, namely that, the antichrist is the man of sin and beast of Revelation 13.

Rather, the antichrist is a spirit that operates in the world and causes people to become antichrists, that is, people who deny Jesus is the Christ and that He has come in the flesh. It's not some Endtime figure, but rather, a constant presence in the earth affecting and afflicting people since at least John's day.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/2-22.htm

... οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἀντίχριστος...

Note the emboldened word ὁ. It is one of several definite articles in Koine Greek and corresponds to the English word "the". "The antichrist" is not a "non-Biblical" myth. Rather, as 1 John 2:21 begins, it shows that the antichrist is the liar:

Τίς ἐστιν ὁ ψεύστης...

Who is the liar...?

The antichrist is the liar.

What's the lie that the liar/antichrist proliferates?

Denying Jesus is the Christ.

How are these liars/antichrists able to proliferate the lie that Jesus is not the Christ?

The spirit of the antichrist"...

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/4-3.htm

...τοῦτό ἐστιν τὸ τοῦ ἀντιχρίστου...

Note this time a different emboldened word, namely τοῦ. This is another Koine Greek definite article, specifically the genitive form, again corresponding to the English word [of] the.

This spirit of the antichrist operates in those who deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

We see therefore that the Holy Scriptures do speak of "the antichrist". Just not in the way many popularized views have expressed over the years, namely that, the antichrist is the man of sin and beast of Revelation 13.

Rather, the antichrist is a spirit that operates in the world and causes people to become antichrists, that is, people who deny Jesus is the Christ and that He has come in the flesh. It's not some Endtime figure, but rather, a constant presence in the earth affecting and afflicting people since at least John's day.

That's what I was meaning, a point which is reflected in the English translation not supplying "the", as is often the case. Eg. The word/name theos often includes ho or tou but often should not be translated, Iesous often occurs with the definite article as well, etc.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree. I see this more clearly. Some are reading this as a person, but it is saying this ideology/theology (as both are in play) shall come, even now there are many antichrists.


“1 John 2:18, “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists...”

Looks like the "antichrists" where individuals who were part of the Judean ministry teaching the churches. Who left the truth because they were never part of the truth. They were Judaizing the non Judean converts to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses. As prescribed prior to the advent of Messiah. John also uses the words ἐσχάτη ὥρα. Which makes it something that they had to deal with, at their moment of time. Beast and antichrist aren't interchangeable.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/2-22.htm

... οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἀντίχριστος...

Note the emboldened word ὁ. It is one of several definite articles in Koine Greek and corresponds to the English word "the". "The antichrist" is not a "non-Biblical" myth. Rather, as 1 John 2:21 begins, it shows that the antichrist is the liar:

Τίς ἐστιν ὁ ψεύστης...

Who is the liar...?

The antichrist is the liar.

What's the lie that the liar/antichrist proliferates?

Denying Jesus is the Christ.

How are these liars/antichrists able to proliferate the lie that Jesus is not the Christ?

The spirit of the antichrist"...

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/4-3.htm

...τοῦτό ἐστιν τὸ τοῦ ἀντιχρίστου...

Note this time a different emboldened word, namely τοῦ. This is another Koine Greek definite article, specifically the genitive form, again corresponding to the English word [of] the.

This spirit of the antichrist operates in those who deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

We see therefore that the Holy Scriptures do speak of "the antichrist". Just not in the way many popularized views have expressed over the years, namely that, the antichrist is the man of sin and beast of Revelation 13.

Rather, the antichrist is a spirit that operates in the world and causes people to become antichrists, that is, people who deny Jesus is the Christ and that He has come in the flesh. It's not some Endtime figure, but rather, a constant presence in the earth effecting and afflicting people since at least John's day.

Another thing which they saw as antichrist were individuals who believed that everything would continue as it always had before. 2 Peter 3:4, points out what the Judains were teaching. That Jesus wasn't the messiah, because they didn't believe He fulfilled the signs of Messiah's Advent. Nothing changed, none of the changes they had been taught all of their lives happened. Everything that was taught to them by their rabbis concerning Messiah never happened with the appearance of Jesus. So, they claimed, since the ancestors went to sleep in the graves everything continued just as it always had. Christ dwelling in the flesh within the church, was anti Messiah to the Judian. Denying that Christ came in the flesh was anti Messiah to the Christian. Where two or three are gathered together in the name of Jesus Christ meant Christ is among His people in judgement. Well, that was totally Judaic concept, because when two or three were gathered together in judgement, God was a part of that judgement because it was following His law. Now, to the Judean it was blasphemy for a Christian to say that when they are gathered together in decisions, that Christ was enthroned in their midst. That is because it was saying that Jesus is GOD, and God is Jesus in judgement. To deny this, is antichrist. The Judeans were the first teachers to the Roman Gentile world, and the Roman Judean Diaspora. The Apostle Paul, as well as the other apostles had to combat Jewish mythology, which tried to entangle itself within Church teachings. Becoming what we know as Gnosticism, which is simply Christian Kabbalah.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Looks like the "antichrists" where individuals who were part of the Judean ministry teaching the churches. Who left the truth because they were never part of the truth. They were Judaizing the non Judean converts to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses. As prescribed prior to the advent of Messiah. John also uses the words ἐσχάτη ὥρα. Which makes it something that they had to deal with, at their moment of time.

Beast and antichrist aren't interchangeable.

I agree with both points.

My question would be, if the Bible is written for all time and generations, would the antichrists still be the Judaizers or simply also anyone who denies that Jesus was God manifest in flesh?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Another thing which they saw as antichrist were individuals who believed that everything would continue as it always had before. 2 Peter 3:4, points out what the Judains were teaching. That Jesus wasn't the messiah, because they didn't believe He fulfilled the signs of Messiah's Advent. Nothing changed, none of the changes they had been taught all of their lives happened. Everything that was taught to them by their rabbis concerning Messiah never happened with the appearance of Jesus. So, they claimed, since the ancestors went to sleep in the graves everything continued just as it always had. Christ dwelling in the flesh within the church, was anti Messiah to the Judian. Denying that Christ came in the flesh was anti Messiah to the Christian. Where two or three are gathered together in the name of Jesus Christ meant Christ is among His people in judgement. Well, that was totally Judaic concept, because when two or three were gathered together in judgement, God was a part of that judgement because it was following His law. Now, to the Judean it was blasphemy for a Christian to say that when they are gathered together in decisions, that Christ was enthroned in their midst. That is because it was saying that Jesus is GOD, and God is Jesus in judgement. To deny this, is antichrist. The Judeans were the first teachers to the Roman Gentile world, and the Roman Judean Diaspora. The Apostle Paul, as well as the other apostles had to combat Jewish mythology, which tried to entangle itself within Church teachings. Becoming what we know as Gnosticism, which is simply Christian Kabbalah.

Good post.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree with both points.

My question would be, if the Bible is written for all time and generations, would the antichrists still be the Judaizers or simply also anyone who denies that Jesus was God manifest in flesh?

1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

All who deny Jesus is the Christ are antichrists. That includes all Jews, atheists, pagans, etc.

1 John 4:3 KJV
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Those who deny that Jesus Christ (the Man from Galilee, the Son of David and Son of God) is come in the flesh are antichrists. This includes not only Gnostics and all unbelievers but also those who claim to be Christian but who deny that the Holy Ghost is none other than JESUS CHRIST, who by His Spirit IS COME IN THE FLESH of His people.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

All who deny Jesus is the Christ are antichrists. That includes all Jews, atheists, pagans, etc.

1 John 4:3 KJV
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Those who deny that Jesus Christ (the Man from Galilee, the Son of David and Son of God) is come in the flesh are antichrists. This includes not only Gnostics and all unbelievers but also those who claim to be Christian but who deny that the Holy Ghost is none other than JESUS CHRIST, who by His Spirit IS COME IN THE FLESH of His people.

Amen!

[james34]

Originally Posted by Esaias

1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

All who deny Jesus is the Christ are antichrists. That includes all Jews, atheists, pagans, etc.

1 John 4:3 KJV
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Those who deny that Jesus Christ (the Man from Galilee, the Son of David and Son of God) is come in the flesh are antichrists. This includes not only Gnostics and all unbelievers but also those who claim to be Christian but who deny that the Holy Ghost is none other than JESUS CHRIST, who by His Spirit IS COME IN THE FLESH of His people.

I also believe that the takeaway of " IS COME IN THE FLESH" is in the word confesseth. Not just a declaration that the Spirit of God is within. But the demonstration that if the Sprit is within, then his life(holy)will be manifest. If this life is not manifest then we deny that the power of Gods Spirit (has come in/has given us power over) the flesh. This is a religios spirit that confesses grace without works, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. It leaves the individual with nothing more than a verbal confession, as he proclaims that the Spirit of God is within me.

[Monterrey]

So Iran is Persia, which Kingdom are they?

Iraq is Babylon …

Eastern Russia is Gog and Magog...

Who else?