The UPCI Needs a Healer

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again forgive the personal reference I certainly have no desire to offend you. I was visiting my father once and went to service with him he is a Charismatic preacher I guess because I was there he preached about the HGB and asked how many had spoken in tongues maybe 20% raised their hands in a crowd of about 2000. The shock on my father's face was evident. As we went to lunch he did not mention it and neither did I.

Very sad.

I remember reading a statistic concerning the Assemblies of God. Apparently they keep stats of how many of their new/recent members are receiving the Holy Ghost, and I believe the number was in the 50-55% range. This was about 10 years ago I read this, but I imagine the number probably hasnt changed that much in the past decade.

Just sad to see so many people going to chuch thinking they're "saved" even without the Holy Ghost, because their church teaches its an 'extra blessing', not a necessity for salvation.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Can not be done.

He had no will to sway the vote one way or another. He as the chair remained neutral.

Unfair analogy.

Imagine the furor of those gleeful it passed, who are already on TV anyway if such a move was taken by an ELECTED official.

(Sorry you asked opinion of RKS, not me)

Actully I was asking why RKS thinks that the "healing" he is looking for can only come if the GS comes to Tulsa and makes the statement.

its been a few thousand posts...

even more views....

and RKS still wont offer an answer.....

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Actully I was asking why RKS thinks that the "healing" he is looking for can only come if the GS comes to Tulsa and makes the statement.

its been a few thousand posts...

even more views....

and RKS still wont offer an answer.....

I think he has "tunnel vision" concerning the method of healing that he would like to see.

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I think he has "tunnel vision" concerning the method of healing that he would like to see.

That is the absolute truth!!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by pastorj

Two questions, simply to sate my curiosity...

#1 - Is there REALLY an attempt to recruit UPCI men by the sponsors of the Tulsa Meeting. I mean, really... a mailed out flyer DOES NOT constitute active recruitment in anybody's books... even if they got your address from a book they pay for yearly.

#2 - The question has been raised about missionaries and whether or not PIM's will get paid. Let's flip that coin over and ask a better question, "Will the UPCI continue to send the money that the missionaries themselves raised for their work on the field even if they make the decision to no longer continue under the UPCI banner?"

Just a couple of thoughts... any answers... suppositions...

My brother is a UPCI pastor and we just moments ago spoke about these two points as they were much on my mind today...

1. Jim received his 'invitation'. He said, "If it is a conference...fine, but if it is an attempt to cause division...draw anyone away from the UPCI, I think this is wrong."

I concur...

2. I know nothing about the funds missionaries raise, however, it was mentioned in this thread a few days ago, if these churches/pastors leave the Mothership and do not keep their faith promise, how will this impact those laboring on the filed?!

The answer is too drastic to even consider, IMO...

I repeat my question from days ago, what is the all-fired rush?!

Makes no sense...

And what of Pentecom?! Refresh my memory someone, but didn't Pentecom align with FM?!

What happens when the founder leaves, if he hasn't already?!

The meetings of late have been in St. Louis...this week they were held in Texas.

Hmmmm...

[rkentsmith]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Actully I was asking why RKS thinks that the "healing" he is looking for can only come if the GS comes to Tulsa and makes the statement.

its been a few thousand posts...

even more views....

and RKS still wont offer an answer .....

Folks...

I indeed mentioned the GS....

But other leaders on both sides of the issue as well............

Go back and read the origonal post....

It appears the tunnel vision is with the celebrants who rejoice in the saddest decision the UPCI has ever made.....

Sadly, many feel this is a liberating move for the UPCI....

But is the decision worth the results.....

Not in my book

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

Folks...

I indeed mentioned the GS....

But other leaders on both sides of the issue as well............

Go back and read the origonal post....

It appears the tunnel vision is with the celebrants who rejoice in the saddest decision the UPCI has ever made.....

Sadly, many feel this is a liberating move for the UPCI....

But is the decision worth the results.....

Not in my book

I'm not sure you have answered the question yet, but some have asked - - are you sorry to have to leave UPCI?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

Folks...

I indeed mentioned the GS....

But other leaders on both sides of the issue as well............

Go back and read the origonal post....

It appears the tunnel vision is with the celebrants who rejoice in the saddest decision the UPCI has ever made.....

Sadly, many feel this is a liberating move for the UPCI....

But is the decision worth the results.....

Not in my book

You answerd my question like Hillary Clinton answers the question of drivers license for illegal aliens.

I will review the first post once again and quote you if needed.

Once more with feeling.... why does "healing" require reversal of the will of the bretheren on res 4?

[rkentsmith]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I'm not sure you have answered the question yet, but some have asked - - are you sorry to have to leave UPCI?

Dear Sis....

You are living with a misconception...

RKS is not leaving......

And indeed......

The UPCI Needs a Healer

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I think he has "tunnel vision" concerning the method of healing that he would like to see.

No disrespect intended, but how do you think he has tunnel vision? Brother Smith made a statement about healing that needs to take place within the UPC, he didn'e mention how. It was a general statement. I've seen him start threads, but not go into detail about anything.