Generational Curses?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Bro, a group of guys tried to convince me that David Wilkerson was “oneness.” I don’t like getting into these discussions because no one is willing to reason. They just want to prove a point- well, you know.

So, I try to keep out of it... then i’m told, “You never speak.” *shrugs

Well, you never speak, because they never listen.

You are wiser me.

[Monterrey]

Is a generational curse the same as a familiar spirit?

I agree with some posted on this thread but I also see that in our day we see family spirit, if you want to call them that, that seem to pass on from parent to child, then on to the next generation.

Working in deliverance we see this quite often.

Now, i hesitate to call it a "Generational Curse" but... what would you call it? I see and agree that the Blood of Christ breaks that curse / bloodline, but to deny that there is a family tie that seems to bring a certain sin out is foolish. There is too much proof to the contrary.

I personally have dealt with demoniacs that when deliverance was going on in that person, the unclean spirit said it was a family spirit. Does that mean that it is a generational curse? Don't know. Does it seem to run in the family? Absolutely.

[Monterrey]

I teach a lot about open doors, spiritually.

Jesus said in Revelation that He is the one who opens doors and no man shuts and shuts doors that no man opens. He goes on to say that he has opened a door for that church.

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

What are those doors and where do they lead?

When we look at spiritual oppression / possession, we need to look for the open doors that were opened for that spirit to work in the life of a person.

Was the open door opened by a parent? Is that why the child is oppressed? What and when was the door opened?

We know Jesus can shut the doors and that requires the ministry. Before Jesus said they would speak with new tongues He first said that they would receive deliverance.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

So much of the times we need to see the doors shut for someone to be saved.

The question remains, is a door that was opened by a parent, in the life of a child, can that oppression be called a generational curse? Is it just a family spirit? We know it exists but what exactly do we call it?

[Monterrey]

I do find out that when dealing with oppression and possession that what happens in the early years of a child is very important later on spiritually.

When I deal with a woman who has heavy oppression or possession I can almost 99.999999999 percent say that that woman was either molested as a child, had early sexual activity at a young age or even had an abortion young. All of these things, relating to sexual activity, are open doors for spiritual oppression.

For men who have heavy oppression it is usually pornography or sexual assault that opened the door.

Now in these situations, these open doors are usually either opened by a parent or a guardian, or the parent or guardian had the same thing happen to them and the lineage goes back. Is this generational or what?

The young boy is curious, looks under mom and dad's bed, finds a book and .... whoops! Is this familiar, generational or just stupidity on the part of the parent?

Spiritual activity is so deceptive and so predatory.

[diakonos]

Umm... how often do you deal with this stuff?

[Esaias]

Where does the Scripture teach demoniacs are the result of an "open door"? Where is this type of doctrine found in the Bible? Looks to me like the Bible is short and to the point: cast them out, the difficult ones need prayer and fasting (not an inquiry into how they got there).

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Is a generational curse the same as a familiar spirit?

I agree with some posted on this thread but I also see that in our day we see family spirit, if you want to call them that, that seem to pass on from parent to child, then on to the next generation.

Working in deliverance we see this quite often.

Now, i hesitate to call it a "Generational Curse" but... what would you call it? I see and agree that the Blood of Christ breaks that curse / bloodline, but to deny that there is a family tie that seems to bring a certain sin out is foolish. There is too much proof to the contrary.

I personally have dealt with demoniacs that when deliverance was going on in that person, the unclean spirit said it was a family spirit. Does that mean that it is a generational curse? Don't know. Does it seem to run in the family? Absolutely.

Jesus said the unbelieving Jews were offspring of the devil and were the children of those who murdered the prophets, that they were a race of snakes and they should just go ahead and fill up the tank with the sins of their ancestors.

But never said anything about family spirits or "generational curses" nor did He seem concerned about looking for where "the open door" was. He just said if they didn't repent they would die in their sins and wind up as eternally burnt toast.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Umm... how often do you deal with this stuff?

Often

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Where does the Scripture teach demoniacs are the result of an "open door"? Where is this type of doctrine found in the Bible? Looks to me like the Bible is short and to the point: cast them out, the difficult ones need prayer and fasting (not an inquiry into how they got there).

Um, Brother not going to fight. But if there is not an open door, or whatever you want to call it, then you are saying that that devil, spirit, oppressive fallen angel, was resident in them at birth? Not really tracking with what you are saying here. Expound.

I just gave a scripture, Rev 3, that spoke about open doors and closed doors. Then you throw out... "Where is this doctrine found in the Bible?"

Where does that demonic oppression stem from if I may ask? If you don't call it an open door then what do you call it? Please expound your thinking so we can have a dialogue on this.

As far as casting them out after prayer and fasting... I do believe that. At no point have I countered that. Yet I will tell you from experience that you can cast out or off a spirit on Sunday and by the following Wednesday they are back, and with more company. Why is this? Well, if that person has not discovered where that oppression is coming from, ie open doors, then you are spitting in the wind. Those people will drain you dry.

We see this example in the scripture.

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

But if you can show the person where the problem is stemming from then they can 1) shut the door, repent of whatever they are doing that allows that spirit to work in their lives, 2) develop a prayer life so that they can live victorious that they now can walk as God wants them to.

This is still Scripture.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus said the unbelieving Jews were offspring of the devil and were the children of those who murdered the prophets, that they were a race of snakes and they should just go ahead and fill up the tank with the sins of their ancestors.

But never said anything about family spirits or "generational curses" nor did He seem concerned about looking for where "the open door" was. He just said if they didn't repent they would die in their sins and wind up as eternally burnt toast.

Do you realize that most of Jesus' ministry was filled with healing and deliverance?

Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

So we have a command to cast out devils. This is something that we still face today on a frequent basis. So we make ourselves cognizant of how they work, how they gain control of people, how to pray deliverance and etc.

Paul spoke here ...

2Co 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Now he makes a comment of how the satanic forces could take advantage of us if we were ignorant.

So we study this and try to find our how people get oppressed / possessed.

That way we can pray deliverance and then teach them how to stay delivered.