Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD? - Page 9

Evang.Benincasa · #81 11-21-2018, 04:55 PM

Oh, and another thing!

Who is Harry Morse!?!

1ofthechosen · #82 11-21-2018, 05:06 PM

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Eternal life is the hope they were waiting for.

The following scriptures prove it.

Promise to the ancestors was eternal life. Right? If not show me all the resurrection verses in the Old Testament. Hint Ezekiel 37:1-14 isn't one of them.

Hope of Israel, was the hope of Christ, completing the law, taking away sin, and giving them eternal life.

Notice Paul is still talking to Israel/Judeans about what was initially promised to them. They slept with their fathers awaiting the day they would be redeemed. How were the Judeans and Israelites saved prior to the Advent of Christ? How would they partake of the flesh and blood of Christ?

Yes, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

YES I believe just like the Apostle Paul believes

So synopsis of all this is to say you don't believe in a traditional rapture? Sort of what I said about the so called "the Great Tribulation", seeing it as something forced upon the text?

1ofthechosen · #83 11-21-2018, 05:07 PM

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Oh, and another thing!

Who is Harry Morse!?!

LOL, Scott do we have any idea yet??

Evang.Benincasa · #84 11-21-2018, 05:12 PM

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So synopsis of all this is to say you don't believe in a traditional rapture? Sort of what I said about the so called "the Great Tribulation", seeing it as something forced upon the text?

JamesGlen · #85 11-21-2018, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Eternal life is the hope they were waiting for.

The following scriptures prove it.

Promise to the ancestors was eternal life. Right? If not show me all the resurrection verses in the Old Testament. Hint Ezekiel 37:1-14 isn't one of them.

Daniel 12:2

Hope of Israel, was the hope of Christ, completing the law, taking away sin, and giving them eternal life.

Notice Paul is still talking to Israel/Judeans about what was initially promised to them. They slept with their fathers awaiting the day they would be redeemed. How were the Judeans and Israelites saved prior to the Advent of Christ? How would they partake of the flesh and blood of Christ?

Yes, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

YES I believe just like the Apostle Paul believes

Scripture shows Paul saying his Hope was in the resurrection of BOTH the just and the unjust.

Yet you say Paul’s Hope was actually eternal life, for not only the just, but the unjust?

Again, Paul said his Hope was in the resurrection of not only the just, but the unjust?

So I ask you again, for clarification purposes, do you hope(as Paul) hope in a future resurrection of BOTH the just AND the UNJUST?

How is Paul saying his Hope is in a resurrection of the unjust, actually meaning eternal life for them?

Evang.Benincasa · #86 11-21-2018, 05:14 PM

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LOL, Scott do we have any idea yet??

Form what I gathered from houston is that he was the great grandson of George Washington. He because a Pentecostal and started to chop down cherry trees all around Azusa Street.

1ofthechosen · #87 11-21-2018, 05:18 PM

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I feel that way about much of what's called orthodox Eschatology so I can't say that's wrong.

But where is the 1 person (besides for Light he doesn't count) that believes the ressurection took place in 70 AD? Do we have any takers? If not this thread is pointless...

Evang.Benincasa · #88 11-21-2018, 05:22 PM

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Scripture shows Paul saying his Hope was in the resurrection of BOTH the just and the unjust.
You say Paul’s Hope was actually eternal life, for not only the just, but the unjust?

The Hope of Israel is eternal life, since when do unjust people have hope in being lost?

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Do you see the problem with that?

No, do you?

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Again, Paul said his Hope was in the resurrection of not only the just, but the unjust?

So, you are saying that the Apostle Paul hoped that people would die lost?

Hope of Israel is eternal life and are not those who have no hope 1 Thessalonians 4:13.

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So I ask you again, for clarification purposes, do you hope(as Paul) hope in a future resurrection of BOTH the just AND the UNJUST?

I have hope in eternal life just like Paul. That is pretty clear.

I don't hope for the unjust to be judged to damnation, I hope for them to be converted.

So, Glen, now is there an Israel today? Where is it?

Esaias · #89 11-21-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I feel that way about much of what's called orthodox Eschatology so I can't say that's wrong.

But where is the 1 person (besides for Light he doesn't count) that believes the ressurection took place in 70 AD? Do we have any takers? If not this thread is pointless...

My understanding is that most preterists believe resurrection took place in AD 70 as a judicial change of position, not that everybody was raised from the dead physically, but that a change took place in which the departed saints went to heaven and all living saints join with them in heaven when they die. Also, that the same thing applies to the lost: the wicked dead were cast into the lake of fire and all since then who die lost are resurrected into damnation as well. So the resurrection in AD 70 is more of a change of circumstances for mankind relative to their destiny as opposed to an event in which bodies come out of graves.

Of course, not being a preterist myself, I may have this all wrong. Apologies if I am mistaken, I do not want to misrepresent anything.

JamesGlen · #90 11-21-2018, 05:37 PM

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The Hope of Israel is eternal life, since when do unjust people have hope in being lost?

No, do you?

So, you are saying that the Apostle Paul hoped that people would die lost?

Hope of Israel is eternal life and are not those who have no hope 1 Thessalonians 4:13.

I have hope in eternal life just like Paul. That is pretty clear.

I don't hope for the unjust to be judged to damnation, I hope for them to be converted.

So, Glen, now is there an Israel today? Where is it?

Paul said his Hope was for BOTH. BOTH
It’s an event of both.
The resurrection of the just AND THE UNJUST was Paul’s hope.

Respectfully, it seems your hope is NOT the same as Paul’s.

It seems you’re attempting to change the scripture to fit your hope.

What did Paul mean when he said his Hope was also in the resurrection of the unjust ?