A Handmaids Tale

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

The Nazi's were not right-wing.
Does the phrase National Socialists German Workers Party sound right wing to you?
Insofar as a church the long term goal of the Nazi's was to turn Germany back to the old gods, prior to Christianity.
The Handmaid is just anti-Christian propaganda, nothing more.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

The Nazi's were not right-wing.
Does the phrase National Socialists German Workers Party sound right wing to you?
Insofar as a church the long term goal of the Nazi's was to turn Germany back to the old gods, prior to Christianity.
The Handmaid is just anti-Christian propaganda, nothing more.

I agree that it is anti Christian propaganda, but the question is could the antichrist arise from the right. It certainly did during the Inquisition.

[aegsm76]

So, who was the antichrist during the Inquistion?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

So, who was the antichrist during the Inquistion?

the reformation saints argued that it was of office of the papacy. some would still argue that today.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

The Nazi's were not right-wing.
Does the phrase National Socialists German Workers Party sound right wing to you?
Insofar as a church the long term goal of the Nazi's was to turn Germany back to the old gods, prior to Christianity.
The Handmaid is just anti-Christian propaganda, nothing more.

Too simplistic.

The Nazis were right-wing in that they were racist nationalists. They were economically left-wing in that the consolidated the means of production under the authority of the state. Authority itself was right-wing in that they favored centralized authoritarian power over a means of governmental checks and balances.

The racist nationalist authoritarianism tends to get the Nazis listed as right-wing, in spite of their leftist economics.

[Amanah]

The NAZIs are considered far right in political terms


“the left” is concerned with two core themes - equality and inclusion, most other concerns of the left are footnotes to these core themes. The two great ideologies of the Enlightenment (classical liberalism and socialism) both heavily focused on these themes. For socialists, equality meant social and economic equality - redistribution of wealth, equal education opportunities etc. For classical liberalism, equality meant equality of rights - property, equal treatment under law and so on.

The Nazis vehemently rejected these ideas.

While it may be true that the Nazis were economically left-wing, they were economic left-wing domestically, and to a select group of people. They rejected the core tenets of equality and inclusion.

Equality

They were not concerned with equality in either a socialist, or classical liberal sense. The Nazis favoured a society built upon a rigid hierarchical structure, where some were treated more favourably than others. It is this preference for hierarchy that places them on the right.

Inclusion

I need not go into too much detail here, but the left has traditionally been concerned with the worse off, the oppressed, the poor, minorities, the victimized etc. The left sought to bring these groups of people into the fold, and afford them the same treatment as everybody else. The Nazis were unquestionably opposed to such measures.

To summarize, the Nazis are considered far-right because they aggressively and invariably opposed the very foundation of left-wing politics - treating people equally in a minimally hierarchical society, and seeking to include those that would otherwise be discriminated against.



https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Nazism-...olitical-terms

[Amanah]

by the way, I'm not really trying to prove an idea, just wanting to explore an idea.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Too simplistic.

The Nazis were right-wing in that they were racist nationalists. They were economically left-wing in that the consolidated the means of production under the authority of the state. Authority itself was right-wing in that they favored centralized authoritarian power over a means of governmental checks and balances.

The racist nationalist authoritarianism tends to get the Nazis listed as right-wing, in spite of their leftist economics.

So only right-wingers can be racist nationalists.
Got it.
Then you want to change it from a simple left-wing/right-wing narrative to one where "well they are a right-wing in all the bad parts", but "the parts I like are left-wing".
Got it.
Was Abraham Lincoln right or left wing...

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The NAZIs are considered far right in political terms


“the left” is concerned with two core themes - equality and inclusion, most other concerns of the left are footnotes to these core themes. The two great ideologies of the Enlightenment (classical liberalism and socialism) both heavily focused on these themes. For socialists, equality meant social and economic equality - redistribution of wealth, equal education opportunities etc. For classical liberalism, equality meant equality of rights - property, equal treatment under law and so on.

The Nazis vehemently rejected these ideas.

While it may be true that the Nazis were economically left-wing, they were economic left-wing domestically, and to a select group of people. They rejected the core tenets of equality and inclusion.

Equality

They were not concerned with equality in either a socialist, or classical liberal sense. The Nazis favoured a society built upon a rigid hierarchical structure, where some were treated more favourably than others. It is this preference for hierarchy that places them on the right.

Inclusion

I need not go into too much detail here, but the left has traditionally been concerned with the worse off, the oppressed, the poor, minorities, the victimized etc. The left sought to bring these groups of people into the fold, and afford them the same treatment as everybody else. The Nazis were unquestionably opposed to such measures.

To summarize, the Nazis are considered far-right because they aggressively and invariably opposed the very foundation of left-wing politics - treating people equally in a minimally hierarchical society, and seeking to include those that would otherwise be discriminated against.



https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Nazism-...olitical-terms

You are confusing "the left" with classical liberalism. Which it does not represent, anymore.
Communists are more left than anyone, but no one would say they are worried about equality or inclusion.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Amanah

by the way, I'm not really trying to prove an idea, just wanting to explore an idea.

No problem.
I do have to agree somewhat with Aquila, that there are far more nuances than just right or left.
For example the students during the Evergreen college fiasco were far left, but they did not believe in equality or inclusion.
And I do not believe you could term the Inquisition as either left or right wing.
Was Hugo Chavez left or right wing?