I'll Say It Again - IT'S OVER!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by 1 God

The saints(Rev's elect) are found here....Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

And resurrected here...20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, this is the post trib doctrine, not "hiding in God in a cave, etc., until then".

Again, martyrdom FOR Christ, not wrath BY Christ, for the Saints.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Originalist

All part of the Pre-Trib fallacy, Sean. The Tribulation and wrath are different events. And I must take objection to your statement that God raised up Trump for the "sole purpose" of recognizing Jerusalem as the Capitol of Israel as if God does not really care about the USA. I for one care about MY people, not some bunch of anti-Christ reprobates in the Middle East.

Rene.

Anyway, I am a Trump supporter too. However, the new World Order cannot be stopped. Trump had a purpose, but our nation has been a pivotal part of God's future prophecy to the promise of the fathers.
#1....Jesus is to return to save the inhabitants of Jerusalem(Zech 14).

#2....Jesus will fill all of these inhabitants of Israel with the Holy Ghost and even witnessing shall cease(Jer 31).

#3....Jesus will/is magnify(ing) Jerusalem before He returns(Micah 4) and reign from Jerusalem for 1000 years.(Rev 20 etc).

#4....There would be no such thing in our days as the state of Israel but for the rise of the USA. This was no accident, but intentional.

The USA is pivotal for God to fulfill His promise to the fathers, no matter how many babies we abort etc. But, when God is done with humanists, atheists and the rest, He will return to take over the world and judge sin, in the meanwhile creating a world without politics or demonic influences, fulfilling his promise to crush satan's head in Gen.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, martyrdom FOR Christ, not wrath BY Christ, for the Saints.

That will divide the men from the boys. Telling our kids and grandkids to die is not what the Holy Ghost has in store fore us. But, we shall see.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Ronnie G

How does one forego worshipping the beast, or decline the mark, unless one is put to the test of taking it?

Get taken in the rapture of the church before the Great Tribulation...

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

[Ronnie G]

Originally Posted by 1 God

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Possibly the strongest argument for your position, even if I don't hold it.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Ronnie G

Possibly the strongest argument for your position, even if I don't hold it.

It is a message of hope and trust.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Rene.

Anyway, I am a Trump supporter too. However, the new World Order cannot be stopped. Trump had a purpose, but our nation has been a pivotal part of God's future prophecy to the promise of the fathers.
#1....Jesus is to return to save the inhabitants of Jerusalem(Zech 14).

#2....Jesus will fill all of these inhabitants of Israel with the Holy Ghost and even witnessing shall cease(Jer 31).

#3....Jesus will/is magnify(ing) Jerusalem before He returns(Micah 4) and reign from Jerusalem for 1000 years.(Rev 20 etc).

#4....There would be no such thing in our days as the state of Israel but for the rise of the USA. This was no accident, but intentional.

The USA is pivotal for God to fulfill His promise to the fathers, no matter how many babies we abort etc. But, when God is done with humanists, atheists and the rest, He will return to take over the world and judge sin, in the meanwhile creating a world without politics or demonic influences, fulfilling his promise to crush satan's head in Gen.

Does Satan get his head bandaged after the 1,000 years are finished?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

That will divide the men from the boys. Telling our kids and grandkids to die is not what the Holy Ghost has in store fore us. But, we shall see.

Are you a man?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Get taken in the rapture of the church before the Great Tribulation...

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

What do you do with that Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation of those days?

They are kept from the hour of temptation the same way Jesus prayed for Peter when his time of temptation grew near. Nothing new. It sure doesn’t prove the weird teaching of Pre Tribulation rapture of the Church.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What do you do with that Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation of those days?

They are kept from the hour of temptation the same way Jesus prayed for Peter when his time of temptation grew near. Nothing new. It sure doesn’t prove the weird teaching of Pre Tribulation rapture of the Church.

The world of Peter and the world of Rev 6 and 16 are polar opposite. The book of Rev is depicting events to try all mankind that dwell on the earth. Jesus will keep the saints FROM this event(if we keep His word.....).