Salvation's Birth: Rep? Fai? Hol Spi Bap?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Will you please go to the first post of this thread for your instructions?

Originally Posted by Esaias

No.

Originally Posted by houston

You were given instructions?

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

When does salvation begin?
Using scriptures, defend your view that salvation begins at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism.

"Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again).

I feel like chewing on beef jerky...

I don't understand why it would be difficult to answer the question in accordance with the parameters established. Helps for continuity as well as helps with providing scriptural support-- but if you don't want to play along, that's your choice.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Esaias

No.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by houston

Originalist is AoG. Lol. What do you expect?

I’ve been baptized 3 times so...

To be clear, I was calling you out as not being Oneness.

I think my attitude towards The Originalist flies contrary to what this Forum is about. I just he would not present himself as Oneness when he isn't. Nevertheless, I hope good things for him. It's not like I believe all A/G's are going to hell-- it's more like I just don't know how God is going to work that out and I'd rather let Him figure it out while I focus on me and my house.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

What do you think?
When does salvation begin?
Using scriptures, defend your view that salvation begins at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism.

"Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again).

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

I don't understand why it would be difficult to answer the question in accordance with the parameters established. Helps for continuity as well as helps with providing scriptural support-- but if you don't want to play along, that's your choice.

You defined "salvation begins" as being "born again". Per John 3:5 being born again means being born of water and Spirit. So a person is "born again" when they have been born of water and the Spirit.

I don't understand why it would be so difficult to understand my answer, it was in fact within the parameters of your opening post (using "born again" as the meaning of "when salvation begins").

[houston]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

To be clear, I was calling you out as not being Oneness.

Yes, we all got that. My post that you quoted was in response to someone else.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by houston

Yes, we all got that. My post that you quoted was in response to someone else.

I meant to say WAS NOT calling you out...

I am not doing well with the whole thought to fingers to keyboard method tonight.

[votivesoul]

Theoretically, a person could for some reason believe that salvation doesn't begin at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism. They could likewise defend that view using Scripture.

Therefore, the question is (perhaps???) unintentionally limited to unnecessary parameters, which will force forced answers to preconditioned and pre-drawn conclusions.

So, instead of barking out orders for people to obey your instructions, how about you reword your question so that people can answer it the way they feel is correct, without you berating them for it?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Theoretically, a person could for some reason believe that salvation doesn't begin at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism. They could likewise defend that view using Scripture.

Therefore, the question is (perhaps???) unintentionally limited to unnecessary parameters, which will force forced answers to preconditioned and pre-drawn conclusions.

So, instead of barking out orders for people to obey your instructions, how about you reword your question so that people can answer it the way they feel is correct, without you berating them for it?

For example, when I read the question, and thought about it for a second, my first response was "At the cross." That's when salvation begins. Before I was ever born, my salvation was secured with "It is finished". Yeah, God saved me in 2003, but my salvation didn't begin then, and it had nothing to do with my repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism. It had to do with "Not my will, but Thine be done". That's where my salvation began.

But your question doesn't allow for such an answer, even though it's accurate, true, and as much Scriptural as Acts 2:38.

This is what Esaias was first trying to point toward, and he is to be commended. When I read his reply, I was like "Finally! Only took three pages...".

But you chided him for it. Absolutely right on with everything he posted, but still you found fault in his answer. That's not right, dude.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

“we” didn’t all leave in ‘92. Lol

So you believe in saying the sinners prayer, baptism if you feel like it. Holy Spirit at conversion evidenced by sloppy Agape?
Lol

What's your salvational beliefs? Tell me more.