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01-18-2011, 10:07 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
Hey Crackerjack, did you know that it was only a few months ago I found out who your wife is and she is someone I have known for a long time???!!!! She was a relative of my pastors family when I was a teenager. Your wife is a twin right?
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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01-18-2011, 10:10 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Liberals believe the UC and the C's are saved and brothers and sister in Christ, the UC's and the C's generally believe all liberals are hell bound.
That is the reason for the liberals being more aggressive in defence, and the UC's and the C's running away!!! LOL!
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This of course relates back to the Ultra judgmental attitude of the Ultra Cons. That's the one thing that I found most prevalent with my former associations.... judge so quickly and so harshly.
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01-18-2011, 10:11 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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Originally Posted by CC1
Hey Crackerjack, did you know that it was only a few months ago I found out who your wife is and she is someone I have known for a long time???!!!! She was a relative of my pastors family when I was a teenager. Your wife is a twin right?
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No, I think you are mistaken.
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01-18-2011, 10:15 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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No, I think you are mistaken.
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Never mind then!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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01-19-2011, 05:55 AM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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Originally Posted by Cindy
The latter, it got very personal.
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Exactly 
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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin
Cindy, would you say that was caused by the attitude of the Ultra Cons or the Liberals?
In your time of being on the forum would you say, (I hope without causing an uprising), that the Liberals were more considerate of others opinions or the Ultra Cons?
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Both. As Cindy said, somewhere along the way it became personal. Instead of debating scripture it turned to debating one another. AFF has a rule I sometimes have to go back and read.
We do not allow any rebuking, hatefulness, name calling, or verbal attacks by any person or group of people, toward any person or group of people.
Organizations can be discussed but not assaulted.
Posters can have disagreements but not bloodbaths.
Apostolic truth can be questioned but not be mocked.
Doctrinal absolutes can be queried but not criticized.
Admin can be contacted privately but not called out openly.
Standards can be debated but not minimized and disrespected.
Posts can be diametrically opposed but not diabolically attacking.
Concerns can be expressed freely but not just hurled and unrestricted.
There were (and still are ) times when these "rules" are thrown out the window, (with the baby). I remember being involved in a discussion that had to be locked down several times during its lifespan to give posters time to cool off. It was during that discussion I myself realized I had allowed others to get to me personally. An attitude emerged from both sides that basicly said: "I'm right, because I say I'm right". And I still see alot of that attitude today, the only thing that has changed is many members of one side has decided they were tired of playing the game. Not because of a lack of being able to defend their position, but because they got sucked into personal attacks. It became more about who could slam someone the hardest instead of decent theological debate.
There is a reason conflict always makes the headlines in newspapers, magazines and tv. Because thats what sells. It's no different here. Yes, it would be a boring place if everyone believed the same. The problem is, somewhere along the way it became boring to have a decent respectful discussion.
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01-19-2011, 06:15 AM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Here is the problem. If you are UC, how do you nicely say your fellow member is he'll bound? The new breed of liberals openly laughed at the irony and often mocked the UCs.
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The reverse was also true. "Liberals" were mocked by cons.
If you go back and read really old threads, the attitude was definitely on both sides.
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01-19-2011, 07:56 AM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
I think we can mention differences but I cringe when people start calling names, sending others to hell, sitting in God´s seat and deciding...it would seem there are so many things to unite us on a forum that we could talk about blessings. missions, life experiences without cutting someone down.
I KNOW I AM TALKED ABOUT IN CERTAIN CIRCLES BECAUSE I WRITE HERE BUT WHEN PEOPLE STOOP TO TALK ABOUT OTHERS THEY ARE ON THE WRONG TRACK. THOSE THAT I HEAR SAY CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT ME BUT NOT ONCE HAVE THEY EVER TALKED TO ME PERSONALLY EVEN TO ASK ME WHAT I BELIEVE OR WHY I WRITE HERE.
And if they did it would be the same reason I write anywhere else! I love people...I ENJOY having different friends. I NEED EVERYONE´S PRAYERS.
Just had people to leave my place early this morning that came from far south Brazil. I did not know them...we had a wonderful time and plan to go visit them sometime this summer and preach for them...
I count many people from the far right to the far left and right in the middle my friends...
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01-19-2011, 07:56 AM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
The reverse was also true. "Liberals" were mocked by cons.
If you go back and read really old threads, the attitude was definitely on both sides.
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Very true...and very sad...that both sides came to that point. It did become VERY uncivil and VERY disrespectful IMO and I just stayed away! I know to the UC's I am very liberal and probably splitting the lake of fire wide open; however, I respect their opinion and feelings towards me. I don't like it and I don't agree with it, but diversity is good! What does that scripture say? Iron sharpeneth iron? We NEED different opinions and viewpoints in order for us to stay on top of the game so to speak. It has become a very different forum just in the few years I have been on here, and that is both good and bad. I do miss some of the posters and their input...even though Epley was a real treat sometimes! LOL 
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01-19-2011, 09:25 AM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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Been Thunkin,
There is still diversity at AFF but not as great as it used to be. At one time there was a significant number of "ultra cons" and "cons" who participated. I am talking those who do not believe in short sleeves, video screen magnification, etc. There was a lot of lively discussion on many topics between ultra cons, cons, moderates,libs and ultra libs that was for the most part civil and respectful. Over time a liberal element became involved that did not care for civil discussion but instead preferred bombastic statements and ridicule. There was an exodus of most ultra conservatives and conservatives which left the forum less diverse and interesting in my opinion. Still a lot of great folks here though.
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When I look back to the beginning, I was barely out of the ultra-con camp back in them thar days. They used to harrass me mercilessly. Now, nobody bugs me. LOL! 
But it did have a very interesting dynamic back the that was almost magical. I'm not sure it will ever be recaptured.
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01-19-2011, 09:29 AM
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Re: Disappointment with the Apostolic Friends Foru
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Originally Posted by ILG
When I look back to the beginning, I was barely out of the ultra-con camp back in them thar days. They used to harrass me mercilessly. Now, nobody bugs me. LOL!
But it did have a very interesting dynamic back the that was almost magical. I'm not sure it will ever be recaptured. |
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