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Old 09-16-2018, 09:14 AM
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I don't believe the mark is the internet, but, either you have the law of God inscribed on your hand and forehead by the Holy Ghost (Deut 6:8) or you have the mark of the beast (Rev 13 World Govt)
So the law of God inscribed is a spiritual principal. Is the mark of the beast also spiritual?

Is one spiritual and one physical?

Or are they both spiritual?
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So the law of God inscribed is a spiritual principal. Is the mark of the beast also spiritual?

Is one spiritual and one physical?

Or are they both spiritual?
our Mark is the earnest of our inheritance, the Holy Ghost with initial evidence.

In Revelation, there is a beast of the sea/empire, and a beast of the land/false religion:
  • The early church would have thought, the roman empire.
  • The reformation church thought, the "holy roman empire."
  • Today, it would be allegiance to the religious/political world empire.
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So the law of God inscribed is a spiritual principal. Is the mark of the beast also spiritual?

Is one spiritual and one physical?

Or are they both spiritual?
One is the counterfeit of the other.
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So the law of God inscribed is a spiritual principal. Is the mark of the beast also spiritual?

Is one spiritual and one physical?

Or are they both spiritual?
Two answers and no answer.

If the seal of God is spiritual, why is the mark of the beast physical?
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Two answers and no answer.

If the seal of God is spiritual, why is the mark of the beast physical?
The mark of the beast is a symbol in John's vision, which corresponds to a counterfeit of the sign between the eyes and on the hand of the law of God. In other words, the law of God vs the law of the beast. Those who worship God in truth are marked or sealed as His. Those who follow the beast are likewise marked as his.

The mark has to do with ownership, submission and service, as indicated by obedience to the owner's laws, commandments, statutes, and judgments. It is also reflected in the calendar used by each of the two owner's.

Two systems: God's, vs the beast's.

Computer chips, tattoos, and similar things aren't really what John was getting at.
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The mark of the beast is a symbol in John's vision, which corresponds to a counterfeit of the sign between the eyes and on the hand of the law of God. In other words, the law of God vs the law of the beast. Those who worship God in truth are marked or sealed as His. Those who follow the beast are likewise marked as his.

The mark has to do with ownership, submission and service, as indicated by obedience to the owner's laws, commandments, statutes, and judgments. It is also reflected in the calendar used by each of the two owner's.

Two systems: God's, vs the beast's.

Computer chips, tattoos, and similar things aren't really what John was getting at.
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So the law of God inscribed is a spiritual principal. Is the mark of the beast also spiritual?

Is one spiritual and one physical?

Or are they both spiritual?

Idk but I think it should fall in line with this somehow.
Genesis 4:13-15 "And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. [14] Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. [15] And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And THE LORD SET A MARK UPON CAIN, LEST ANY FINDING HIM SHOULD KILL HIM."
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So the law of God inscribed is a spiritual principal. Is the mark of the beast also spiritual?

Is one spiritual and one physical?

Or are they both spiritual?
There are many views on the above.

What we do know is that the Christian is sealed with the Holy Spirit, having God's name in their foreheads. This is clearly spiritual in nature.

The mark of the beast has deep spiritual implications because it is connected to the idolatry of Antichrist. However, Scripture ties it to the natural world in that those without the mark can neither buy nor sell, meaning it is enforced through trade and commerce.
Revelation 13:16-18 (ESV)
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
If the mark identifies one as being permitted to engage in trade and/or commerce, then clearly there is a natural element to it. For it would need to be something that causes one having the mark, or not having the mark, being able to be readily identified.
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There are many views on the above.

What we do know is that the Christian is sealed with the Holy Spirit, having God's name in their foreheads. This is clearly spiritual in nature.

The mark of the beast has deep spiritual implications because it is connected to the idolatry of Antichrist. However, Scripture ties it to the natural world in that those without the mark can neither buy nor sell, meaning it is enforced through trade and commerce.
Revelation 13:16-18 (ESV)
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
If the mark identifies one as being permitted to engage in trade and/or commerce, then clearly there is a natural element to it. For it would need to be something that causes one having the mark, or not having the mark, being able to be readily identified.
How is it stamped into a forehead or right hand? It is also the Greek letters χξϚ which are supposed to be stamped into the forehead and right hand
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How is it stamped into a forehead or right hand? It is also the Greek letters χξϚ which are supposed to be stamped into the forehead and right hand
I see no reason why the mark must be in Greek. Although, out of the Greek, it can be calculated. It could be a simple etching, branding, or tattoo. No power outage would shut down such an identifier.

But if course, this is assuming a futurist understanding.

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