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06-04-2024, 07:45 PM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta
People reap what they sow.
Refusing to aid in preventing the spread of a contagious, fatal disease has fatal results.
The message to society is clear: we do not care about public health.
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The message to society is clear, people like you are always proven to be wrong.
Sadly, churches which started in brush arbors, praying all night long, revivals which had tumors fall off. Degraded to panicking at rumors of tribulation. Mark of the Beast, rise of an Antichrist world leader. Yep, they would need a Pre Trib, because they could NEVER go through a Great Tribulation. If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan? Good God in Zion! How utterly sad how “some” Pentecostals easily turned on their brethren who chose to walk by faith and not by sight, when it came to COVID. We are further down the road since the pandemic. More information is surfacing concerning the pandemic. Brother Tony Spell has been vindicated, and a lot of individuals have egg on their face.
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06-09-2024, 03:06 PM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
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If this was truly about religious freedom I would be firmly in Tony Spell's camp. But it's not! His underlying premise is the First Amendment's right to peaceful assembly. This order affects everyone from Nascar to Notre Dame without regard to race, religion, or sexual orientation. As to his affiliation with the WPF ??? The church founded by the chief person behind the WPF's formation is strictly online with no public services at the present.
You can't, falsely, yell "Fire!" in a theater and if your building has a seating capacity of 500 and you have 600 in attendance, the Fire Marshal can shut you down. Are we going to make a "Hero of Faith" out of someone who defies the Fire Marshal?
Someone once said, "Choose your battles wisely", and now it may be that Tony Spell will look back and wish that he had waited for a more opportune time or deferred to someone with more experience. [ Just an old man's observation. ]
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Looks like Brother Spell was on the right side of history. The Fire Marshall was wrong, the fire wasn’t exactly what they said it was, and seating capacity was manipulated by the city.
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06-09-2024, 04:48 PM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
Our leaders were wrong. The "scientists " were wrong
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06-09-2024, 11:18 PM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
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Our leaders were wrong. The "scientists " were wrong
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These people knew EXACTLY what they were doing. And continue to do.
It's all so tiresome.
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06-10-2024, 08:14 AM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
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Our leaders were wrong. The "scientists " were wrong
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We aren't talking about a crew who were first timers on the job. The seventh cholera pandemic occurred in 1961 and died down slowly by 1971. The Spanish Flu killed between 30 and 60 million people. This is just two situations of virus outbreaks which scientists had already studied. Again this wasn't anyone's first time on the job. They were totally prepared. The acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) pandemic has taken the lives of around 35 million people since its discovery in 1981. First time I ever heard of Anthony Fauci was in the 1980s. The certain groups were up in arms when the COVID came around and Anthony Fauci was in charge. They had already had a bad experience of his handling of the AIDS epidemic and could only see a bad outcome with his handling of COVID. Those communities were skittish and therefore held back when the "lightspeed" speed tested vaccine was pushed on the public. So were they wrong? We stand on the other side of Jordan on this issue now. Information is coming out that they always knew but had other plans in mind. Pentecostals on the other hand were too busy drinking the "politically motivated" Kool-Aid. I understand the divisions we have in this country. I totally aware of the division we have in the Apostolic Pentecostal movement. Destruction that is without can be fended off, but destruction from within is final. This thread is pretty interesting, probably will be more sobering as time goes on
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These people knew EXACTLY what they were doing. And continue to do.
It's all so tiresome.
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When you turn your Christian neighbors in to the death squads, pat yourself on the back real hard and enjoy it while you can. Cause you will very likely find yourself being turned in for disposal by your remaining neighbors eventually.
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Scary and sobering.
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06-18-2024, 04:16 PM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach accuses Pfizer of misrepresenting COVID vaccine, hiding safety risks in lawsuit. Well, well, well, look at what we have here boys and girls. How utterly sad, how many PennyCostals got their little pointer finger out and wagged it at all the brothers and sisters who would not roll up our long sleeves.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...%20its%20sales.
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06-19-2024, 08:32 AM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
In Brazil to travel it was mandatory to take the shot or should I say shots!
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06-19-2024, 08:45 AM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
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In Brazil to travel it was mandatory to take the shot or should I say shots!
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That’s too bad.
I have Colombians, and other Latin Americans in my church. They couldn’t travel to their countries without the shot. Guess what? Those mandates were lifted. They waited, they still are unvaccinated. They still never got COVID.
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06-19-2024, 03:21 PM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
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That’s too bad.
I have Colombians, and other Latin Americans in my church. They couldn’t travel to their countries without the shot. Guess what? Those mandates were lifted. They waited, they still are unvaccinated. They still never got COVID.
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I didn’t get the shot. I got Covid and I was really pretty sick. I still haven’t taken the shot and I’m glad I didn’t. But, I was passed over for a job that I was otherwise given the green light for. At a hospital. The hospital required that I be vaccinated. I refused. They found someone else. I’m okay with that. But I do believe it was coercion.
All along I have said that everyone should make their own decision. And as soon as I believe it is in my best interest to get the shot, I will do so. So far I believe I made the best decision (to not get the shot). Everyone should reap the consequences or the benefits of their decision.
Ironically, I’m pretty certain I contracted Covid at the hospital.
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06-19-2024, 04:45 PM
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Re: Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban
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I didn’t get the shot. I got Covid and I was really pretty sick. I still haven’t taken the shot and I’m glad I didn’t. But, I was passed over for a job that I was otherwise given the green light for. At a hospital. The hospital required that I be vaccinated. I refused. They found someone else. I’m okay with that. But I do believe it was coercion.
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You believe it was coercion, as well as others who have lost their livelihood because they would not take the vaccines. Some didn't take the vaccines due to religious reasons, being forced, and good old plain scientific views on pharmacology. I fall in the later group. Calling a vaccine "lightspeed" was the first indicator that a whole lot of stupid was coming our way. Guess what? I was right. But it was a sure bet that I would be right. Vaccines aren't produced overnight, tested overnight. The population are the lab rats. Side effects? Well we know what some are, and now we are finding even more.
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All along I have said that everyone should make their own decision. And as soon as I believe it is in my best interest to get the shot, I will do so. So far I believe I made the best decision (to not get the shot). Everyone should reap the consequences or the benefits of their decision.
Ironically, I’m pretty certain I contracted Covid at the hospital.
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Hospitals are the home of staph bacteria, and every other form of creeping crud. Patients who are admitted to the hospital need advocates (parents, spouse, caretakers) to keep an eye on the medical staff, that the patients are getting the proper care they need. Too often medical staff are overwhelmed and the patients are not getting the proper treatment. One must keep in mind that it is a business to make money. No Marcus Welby, M.D. when you get to the hospital. Just some clipboard wielding hack and angry nurses.
Since you contracted COVID 19 you have already gained the best immunity. No need to ever get vaccinated to prevent or to survive COVID 19. Interesting thing though, people who were vaccinated got COVID 19 after they were vaccinated? I was inoculated for measles, mumps, small pox (left a scar) and you know what? I never ever contracted those diseases. Because I got the vaccinations. You vaccinate your pets against rabies. For a deterrent against RABIES!
The knuckleheads in the WHO told us that we weren't going to get COVID 19 if we took the COVID 19 vaccines. The reason they told us this, is simply because that is obviously how vaccines work, even if they are MNRa. But alas, they were wrong.
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