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Old 06-28-2008, 02:25 PM
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Re: Apostolic Assembly News-surprising footage

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You know what is odd. I go to an AA church and have heard nothing about all this. Of course our pastor stays out of the politics of the organization, probably best that way. I now have some questions for him and his son. I know that most of the AA churc buildings are owned by the organization and they place pastors, which I am not familar with, but that is how the work things.

I have heard some other rumors though, but since they are rumors I will keep them to myself at this time. =)
CH is not in an org anymore ... I think he last describeD org politics as WICKED.
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:28 PM
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Very sad.
it is

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2Pe 2:13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you.
2Pe 2:14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children!
2Pe 2:15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing,
2Pe 2:16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
2Pe 2:17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved.
2Pe 2:18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error.

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I think we need to stand with them in prayer too
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Too much emphasis in denominationalism and placing one's identity in a man-made org has led to just utter chaos in the last few years in the Oneness movement overall...

If I was dissatisfied w/ org politics ... I'd pack up and go.

Ain't that serious, IMO ... yet I know to some their networks and circles of influence are everything ...

God is stirring things I believe.

No doubt about it


Folks, isn't it something that so many of the Oneness orgs
are either going thru a shaking or split ???

AMF, PAW, AA, UPC and other smaller ones too.


BTW, PAW had their big "Manifesto" yesterday in Los Angeles
with their head Bishop- haven't heard how it turned out yet
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You are so right.

As you know, we have fellowshipped with AA for many years.
Many of their younger pastors have told me recently that they
are losing their youth by the grooves - Maybe they see thru all
of this ??? although what i'm told is there is a major generational
/cultural war going on within its ranks
The UPC may end up facing one of those too, before too long.
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One of the reasons the UPCI's structure is somewhat immune to this type of stuff ... is because it is decentralized and allows for autonomous and sovereign churches ...

Many Spanish orgs like the AA, IPUL, IPUH and foreign national orgs .... own their churches and can place pastors in and remove others at will w/ little resistance from the local congregation ...

It leads to chaos ... like you've seen ...

I don't how a minister could sign up w/ this type of structure ... imagine pouring your life into something and you are at the will of some distant board.

Although I've heard of UPCI local church business meetings run by district boards to be just as chaotic ...

NOT A GOOD WITNESS.
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CH is not in an org anymore ... I think he last describeD org politics as WICKED.
I have heard that used for organizational politics by our pastor also. He was once the AZ disrtict Bishop and said NEVER AGAIN.
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One of the reasons the UPCI's structure is somewhat immune to this type of stuff ... is because it is decentralized and allows for autonomous and sovereign churches ...

Many Spanish orgs like the AA, IPUL, IPUH and foreign national orgs .... own their churches and can place pastors in and remove others at will w/ little resistance from the local congregation ...

It leads to chaos ... like you've seen ...

I don't how a minister could sign up w/ this type of structure ... imagine pouring your life into something and you are at the will of some distant board.

Although I've heard of UPCI local church business meetings run by district boards to be just as chaotic ...

NOT A GOOD WITNESS.

you are totally correct on this!

I don't get it either
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The UPC may end up facing one of those too, before too long.

I can't see that happening
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HOWEVER...I do recall when the A/S thing came out some pastors lost their churches
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