Trojan Horse

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

What about a Pastor going on TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and agreeing with them as they say, we may have doctrinal or theological differences but we’re still part of the body? And the host used to be Apostolic... who happens to go to a ministers conference in January....

First, let's be clear on what was said.

Jentezen Franklin is talking at 1 minute in.

JF "It's time for the body of Christ to recognize that we need each other."

AM nods.

JF "That there's power in the Name of Jesus and the blood of Jesus."

AM nods.

JF "And if ever there was an hour where we don't have the luxury of disunity it's in this hour."

Camera is on JF, unable to see AM but I don't hear him say anything here.

JF "When the world needs the gospel like it needs it."

AM nods, "Yeah."

JF "We've gotta be hitting from all cylinders."

AM nods.

JF "Preach Jesus' death, burial and resurrection"

AM "That's the gospel."

JF "And coming again"

AM "That's the gospel. That's the gospel."

JF "Be filled with the Holy Ghost."

That is the extent of what I saw about anything relating to your description.

Did you watch the video?

Did you see AM at 47:11 start to preach about the Name of Jesus and the revelation of the Name of Jesus?

So AM nodded when JF said, "It's time for the body of Christ to recognize that we need each other."

I guess AM should have interrupted JF and started an argument with him, right?

AM did nothing wrong in that segment.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

What about a Pastor going on TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and agreeing with them as they say, we may have doctrinal or theological differences but we’re still part of the body? And the host used to be Apostolic... who happens to go to a ministers conference in January....

Do you know where this exact part is? Or is this your interpretation of what was actually said.

There's a pattern developing...

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Ehud

This must be why I have the disconnect on the topic. The last conversation I recall having with a "Trinitarian" was them giving me the talk about three in unity, etc and asking me why I didn't believe it. I explained my side, and the response was, "yeah, that's what I mean." So for the most part, I lump those I deal with into a group that is Trinitarian in name, but not at all in belief. From what I have seen in this thread, though, that is obviously not the norm, so I will gladly defer to you folks on this topic.

Honestly, most “uneducated” trinitarians are oneness I’m their view of the Godhead. In my experience it’s only trinitarian clergy that will disagree with me on the oneness of God.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by n david

First, let's be clear on what was said.

Jentezen Franklin is talking at 1 minute in.

JF "It's time for the body of Christ to recognize that we need each other."

AM nods.

JF "That there's power in the Name of Jesus and the blood of Jesus."

AM nods.

JF "And if ever there was an hour where we don't have the luxury of disunity it's in this hour."

Camera is on JF, unable to see AM but I don't hear him say anything here.

JF "When the world needs the gospel like it needs it."

AM nods, "Yeah."

JF "We've gotta be hitting from all cylinders."

AM nods.

JF "Preach Jesus' death, burial and resurrection"

AM "That's the gospel."

JF "And coming again"

AM "That's the gospel. That's the gospel."

JF "Be filled with the Holy Ghost."

That is the extent of what I saw about anything relating to your description.

Did you watch the video?

Did you see AM at 47:11 start to preach about the Name of Jesus and the revelation of the Name of Jesus?

So AM nodded when JF said, "It's time for the body of Christ to recognize that we need each other."

I guess AM should have interrupted JF and started an argument with him, right?

AM did nothing wrong in that segment.

No, not really. AM didn’t have any business there in the first place.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Honestly, most “uneducated” trinitarians are oneness I’m their view of the Godhead. In my experience it’s only trinitarian clergy that will disagree with me on the oneness of God.

What you have described very much aligns with my experiences as well.

[Bro Flame]

I'm not going to say that ALL Trinitarians are nasty to us and don't like us Apostolics. I've not found that to be true. Certainly, they won't agree with some doctrinal points, but not all of them present themselves with a hostile or untouchable personality. Most of them that I've actually discussed things with personally generally have the "agree to disagree" attitude.

Sometimes I think they're abrasive, defensive, or nasty because of how we Apostolics present the Truth. Who's going to listen to someone that's being cocky, or stern without any compassion on their salvation or soul.

I generally try to find some common ground and build on that. There are some things we'll agree with Trinitarians on, so I try to start there. Once I've won them (for the lack of a better word), I try to ease in some doctrinal points they're missing.

We can't reach someone we've offended. I've never seen it happen.

[n david]

Originally Posted by consapente89

No, not really. AM didn’t have any business there in the first place.

Why not? He preached prayer and the Name of Jesus to more people in a few minutes that most could in an entire lifetime.

My brother was asked to preach at a spanish-speaking AOG church. You'd probably say he had no business preaching there.

But he went and preached Jesus Name and you must be born again.

Jesus spoke with a Samaritan woman.
He had dinner with a tax collector at his home.

I don't believe God was displeased with AM.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Honestly, most “uneducated” trinitarians are oneness I’m their view of the Godhead. In my experience it’s only trinitarian clergy that will disagree with me on the oneness of God.

This is true. Although I had a Baptist tell me "Come on, Jesus isn't God! He's God's son!" once

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This is true. Although I had a Baptist tell me "Come on, Jesus isn't God! He's God's son!" once

My Catholic family does not believe that Jesus is God, rather God’s son. What is it when 2 persons in the trinity are subordinate? Well, they’re not really trinitarian, closer to 1 god and 2 lesser gods. *shrugs*

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

Why not? He preached prayer and the Name of Jesus to more people in a few minutes that most could in an entire lifetime.

My brother was asked to preach at a spanish-speaking AOG church. You'd probably say he had no business preaching there.

But he went and preached Jesus Name and you must be born again.

Jesus spoke with a Samaritan woman.
He had dinner with a tax collector at his home.

I don't believe God was displeased with AM.

The Manguns have bigger issues than TBN.