The Truth, in Their own Words

[larrylyates]

It is not uncommon on AFF to find those who, rather than being "Apostolic Friends," are actually quite the opposite. The presence of unbelievers on a forum such as this and their constant interference in Biblical discussions is troubling enough. But worse still, are the islamists who attempt to defend the beliefs of islam, even saying that the koran considers Jews and Christians as fellow believers.

Do not fall prey to such deception.

What is the "truth' about the islamic attitude toward non-muslims more specifically, Jews and Christians?

World peace cannot exist when such seeds of hate are inbreed within the very text of the Koran and the belief system of the Islamic world. 57 or so Moslem nations representing over 1 Billion inhabitants of this earth subscribe to this. They inculcate this hatred into their media (TV, Movies, Drama’s, Magazines, newspapers , newscasts , childrens books and cartoons) what chance is there to build a bridge with such intolerance and hatred.? How many Christians practice their religion publicly in Mecca?

None, It is illegal to do so on the penalty of death. Why is this ?

Why is there such hatred of Christians and Jews by Islamic people ?

The answers to these questions are found in the the text of the Koran itself

Listed here are Koranic verses which are the foundation for these beliefs (prejudice).

The Quran, virtually on every page, is a manifesto for religious intolerance. – Sam Harris

It is these beliefs that fuels organizations as Hamas, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Al Qaeda, etc.

The Islamic Jihad movement? Take them seriously as they take these teachings seriously. islam is NOT a religion of peace. Don't buy the lie that there are "peace loving" muslims. If they follow the teachings of the koran, this is simply not possible

This is no joke. We have to face the truth about this.

If you doubt the accuracy of any statement …just copy and paste any of these references into your web browser.

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

Qur’an 9:12-14-Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory.

Qur’an 9:5 Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Qur’an (5:51) - ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.

Qur’an (4:48, 4:116)-Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have “invented a tremendous sin.”

Qur’an (4:51)-Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims.

Qur’an (5:51) Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

Qur’an (5:80) – “You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.” Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur’an (3:85) - ”And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”

. Qur’an 9:6-Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don’t submit will be killed. See previous verse.)

Qur’an 5:53 Jews and Christians are losers.

Qur’an 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil-livers.

Qur’an 5:63 Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests.

Qur’an 5:72 Christians will be burned in the Fire.

Qur’an 5:73Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.

Qur’an 9:30Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them.

Qur’an 9:34 Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.

Qur’an 19:35-37“Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.”
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell.

Qur’an 28:62-64 Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?

Qur’an 40:73Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in?

Ishaq:364 “Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate.”

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS

THERE ARE ALOT MORE

Several will respond to this and try to say it isn't so, that this is untrue. Hey, the Internet makes any illusion along those lines, impossible. Ask yourself, what sort of person would attempt such a defense in the first place. What kind of person would do that? What motive would they have in defending such evil? The answer to that is self-evident!

Love them. Pray for them. Witness to them. But do not mistake them for anything other than what they are: followers of an evil and satanic religion and the greatest threat the world has ever seen.

[Michael The Disciple]

Well said. Satan is directing them to gain power enough to attempt the complete destruction of the Church.

[FlamingZword]

Qur’an 5:73 Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.

Hmmm....

[bbyrd009]

Well, since WII is gone, I will tell you tht I am a Christian, but I have read the Qur'an, and you have successfully parrotted the party line. While the Qur'an is disdainful of the holes in your belief system, it does count the believers in any monotheistic faith as brothers. Christ Himself was also disdainful of Rabbis.

It is possible to take any quote out of context, as anyone who reads around the verses you quote can see. While there are admittedly many Muslims who have become radicalized--and therefore are no longer following the Qur'an--you follow them in slurring their Book, pointing a finger, and encouraging hate-mongering.

The vast majority of Muslims--even Moslems is a slur--are not as you describe; and if you had ever actually met any, you would be ashamed. You are, by proxy, the world's largest dealer in arms, and you would talk about another people's hate

Do yourself a favor, and turn off Fox news for a day, why don't you? Or do you think they need help? You have been successfully programmed. Be a good little Apo, for a change, an find a mirror before you point your finger anymore.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well said. Satan is directing them to gain power enough to attempt the complete destruction of the Church.

This might be true; but it discounts that satan is more successful at this in your religion.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well said. Satan is directing them to gain power enough to attempt the complete destruction of the Church.

And MTD, I'm sorry, this seems to make sense, until one thinks about it; satan is not stupid. he knows that he cannot completely destroy the Church; as a matter of fact, he cannot harm a hair in it. While I will grant that satan is influencing Muslims--as well as Christians--it is simply delusional to point a finger at Islam, a la Fox News, and say that they are the bad guys. Do you need a Scripture ref for this heinous behavior?

Ps how have you been, btw? Hope you are well.

[bbyrd009]

And ps, Larry, shall I quote you some Psalms re bashing in the heads of little babies? You strike me as too intelligent to be such a poseur.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Qur’an 5:73 Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.

Hmmm....

It helps--mightily--to understand that much of the Qur'an is written in reply to the rampant Catholicism at the time; even an Apostolic Christian might agree that Catholics are a bit...run amock? in their iconography. Indulgences were common when the Qur'an was written, and you would surely condemn the practice yourselves? Islam is not your enemy, people.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

And MTD, I'm sorry, this seems to make sense, until one thinks about it; satan is not stupid. he knows that he cannot completely destroy the Church; as a matter of fact, he cannot harm a hair in it. While I will grant that satan is influencing Muslims--as well as Christians--it is simply delusional to point a finger at Islam, a la Fox News, and say that they are the bad guys. Do you need a Scripture ref for this heinous behavior?

Ps how have you been, btw? Hope you are well.

How do we know of the intelligent level of Satan? Maybe he is deluded? Maybe he is incredibly egotistical and believes he can do anything?

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

It helps--mightily--to understand that much of the Qur'an is written in reply to the rampant Catholicism at the time; even an Apostolic Christian might agree that Catholics are a bit...run amock? in their iconography. Indulgences were common when the Qur'an was written, and you would surely condemn the practice yourselves? Islam is not your enemy, people.

You are exactly right concerning your first remarks. No defending the Papacy and her children. However, your statement that islam is not our enemy defies logic, and it is simply not a true statement. To say that islam is a peaceful religion, as some would try and deceive, ignores the facts of their own admission. Dr. Klein has already enumerated many disturbing passages from the muslim "holy book." Readers can find more at the following link:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=43101

These are not statements made up in order to make islam "look bad." It already IS evil. These are verses from their very own book. Before you accept the lie that "anyone can take verses out of context and make them say anything they want." Take any of the verses from Dr. Klein's list or from mine and run them through your search engine. Then look at the simple truth for yourself.

This administration and many others would love for you to accept islam as a "God fearing religion." It's a religion of fear alright, just not the fear of God. The god of islam is satan.

Islam represents a "Clear and Present Danger" to the National Security of Western Nations and the greatest threat to world peace that ever existed in the history of the world.