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Old 04-03-2011, 04:40 PM
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Holiness, Standards and the bible

I've always thought it was a double standard to declare "The Trinity is not in the bible" yet use the terms A"Holiness Standard", which is not found in the bible.

So, why is uncut hair a Holiness issue? The bible never mentions the word Holiness or Separation with regards to uncut hair on women.

Does the word holiness or separation from the world ever coincide with other "standard" related issues such as jewelry, facial hair, clothing or TV watching?
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Old 04-03-2011, 05:19 PM
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Re: Holiness, Standards and the bible

Standards never made anyone holy.

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Old 04-03-2011, 06:19 PM
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Re: Holiness, Standards and the bible

The bible doesn't even refer to any of the "standards" as "Holy" does it?

Why are they being called "Holiness standards" then? It's one thing to argue the bible teaches us to do certain things or not do certain things, but to apply them in a non-biblical way is ...well....unbiblical
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:24 PM
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Re: Holiness, Standards and the bible

“Therefore, come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you."
After we are born again, we are to be separated from our sinful and carnal past. Holiness is often defined as separation.

The root idea of holiness is that of separation. The Jews were the holy people, the nation which was quite separate and different from other peoples. The circumcision was an example of separation and differentiation by God's chosen people.

The veil in the tabernacle was to separate the Holiest of Holies from the man on the "street"


But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
(Romans 2:29)

The fruit inspector and gossip ministry is one of the most unholy activities in holiness churches. Talking against bishops which express expectations is just as bad murmering about Moses. The woman wearing jean shorts at the altar this morning in our church was touching God. The women talking about it were not.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:26 PM
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I'm tired of talking about standards..... Let's talk about a more important issue....
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Uh...wow. Coadie! How profound
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Re: Holiness, Standards and the bible

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I'm tired of talking about standards..... Let's talk about a more important issue....
Let's talk about how to love beyond our differences. Why don't you start that thread bro?
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What men call "holiness" is a tragic misrepresentation of what holiness really is. "Standards" have nothing to do with holiness.
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What men call "holiness" is a tragic misrepresentation of what holiness really is. "Standards" have nothing to do with holiness.
Some would keep going to strip joints after "conversion"? They could calll it missional?
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Some would keep going to strip joints after "conversion"? They could calll it missional?
The subject is "holiness standards", you know, hair, pants, jewelry.
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