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COOPER
12-10-2007, 01:01 PM
:starWhat is a three stepper?:star
Nahum
12-10-2007, 01:02 PM
A figment of Alicea's imagination.
John Atkinson
12-10-2007, 01:17 PM
Three Phase Stepper Motor.
Not all that common actually, most are 4 or 5 Phase. http://www.electricmotors.machinedesign.com/guiEdits/Content/bdeee4/bdeee4_1-1.aspx
berkeley
12-10-2007, 01:23 PM
:starWhat is a three stepper?:star
One who believes that you are not saved until after all three have been completed:
1)Repentance
2)water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus
3)the infilling of the Holy Ghost, external evidnece: speaking in tongues
Step one is always primary, but steps 2 and three can change places. That is determined by: ones faith, and the will of God.
HangingOut
12-10-2007, 01:28 PM
During a conversation over the weekend, the subject of what is spoken at baptism was being discussed, the pastor was present. I finally made the point that the condtion of one's heart has to taken into consideration at some point in all this and that a person being baptized doesn't understand much beyond that. Silence, than someone said something about them reading the bible gettng the understanding. Do we really recognized the heart? Do our actions say so?
A derogatory term for people who believe the bible.
pelathais
12-10-2007, 01:37 PM
It's short hand for roughly dividing Apostolics into two camps. As with all such methods you end up over generalizing at times.
John Atkinson
12-10-2007, 01:45 PM
I guess my stepper motor post didn't succeed in my attemt at misdirection...
A derogatory term for people who believe the bible.
Demons believe in One God and tremble ...
A 3 stepper is a misguided soul who believes in a works-based salvation ... believes water baptism mitigates grace and that the gift of the HG is an obligation.
Bring it on....
Demons believe in One God and tremble ...
A 3 stepper is a misguided soul who believes in a works-based salvation ... believes water baptism mitigates grace and that the gift of the HG is an obligation.
Bring it on....
Demons make pigs drown...
Daniel Alicea is a misguided soul who believes in whatever-works-for-you-based salvation ... he believes water baptism is a post facto sign that 'whatever' worked..
back at ya....[/QUOTE]
i was just making a funny but if you insist...
John Atkinson
12-10-2007, 02:01 PM
One who believes that you are not saved until after all three have been completed:
1)Repentance
2)water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus
3)the infilling of the Holy Ghost, external evidnece: speaking in tongues
Step one is always primary, but steps 2 and three can change places. That is determined by: ones faith, and the will of God.
The mistake is all in the numbering. There is only one response to Believing the Gospel, which is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.
That one response includes repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name, and reception of the gift of the Holy Ghost, which comes with the sign of speaking in other tongues.
No numbered bullet points above. All part of one baptism. The believer acts on their belief by repentance, They enter into burial with Jesus through baptism. Then God seals the deal with the Holy Ghost.
The mistake is all in the numbering. There is only one response to Believing the Gospel, which is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.
That one response includes repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name, and reception of the gift of the Holy Ghost, which comes with the sign of speaking in other tongues.
No numbered bullet points above.
Gotcha ... John boy. You're a third stepper .... 3 thirds makes a whole.
I get a kick out of the FULL SALVATION concept.
The basic and fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.
John Atkinson
12-10-2007, 02:08 PM
Gotcha ... John boy. You're a third stepper .... 3 thirds makes a whole.
Nope, One work of salvation done by God.
Yes. We got to repent. Without the godness of God drawing us to that we couldn't do that.
Yes we get into the water in Jesus name. If it weren't for the atoning blood shed on calvary that would be nothin more than a cold bath.
We recieve the gift of the Holy ghost, which is our gude, our teacher, our seal unto redemption, and our power to overcome.
One Salvation.
John Atkinson
12-10-2007, 02:10 PM
I get a kick out of the FULL SALVATION concept.
Me too. Especially since a 1/3 (or 1/4, 1/2 or if we want to express it decimally at 0.65535) salvation isn't really. We need to be 100% saved.
Enlightened
12-10-2007, 10:00 PM
Demons believe in One God and tremble ...
A 3 stepper is a misguided soul who believes in a works-based salvation ... believes water baptism mitigates grace and that the gift of the HG is an obligation.
Bring it on....
I'm curious...were you a 3 stepper while in New York?
I'm curious...were you a 3 stepper while in New York?
Hey, Enlightened .... my H-town compadre.
As I've stated in the past here --
We were raised in the 3 step tradition ... and were taught that the New Birth as taught by the Water and Spirit crowd .... albeit probably along the lines of light doctrine
Before studying soteriology in more detail, I came into the one step view w/ these beliefs also:
1. We believed, at least I know I did, that a person who sincerely repented would NOT be lost.
2. Dad never believed, nor did we, that Trinitarians were lost.
3. Dad towards the end of his ministry ... he passed in November of 2005, would say things like come and accept Jesus as your Savior to be saved. He also would teach that baptism was symbolic .... of an inward work.
My BIL, who is no longer a 3 stepper, and brought up in the conservative North Carolina tradition ... would privately get mad w/ Dad over those remarks but would keep it to himself.
4. Dad's emphasis was always on relationship when it came to salvation.
Enlightened
12-10-2007, 11:26 PM
Hey, Enlightened .... my H-town compadre.
As I've stated in the past here --
We were raised in the 3 step tradition ... and were taught that the New Birth as taught by the Water and Spirit crowd .... albeit probably along the lines of light doctrine
Before studying soteriology in more detail, I came into the one step view w/ these beliefs also:
1. We believed, at least I know I did, that a person who sincerely repented would NOT be lost.
2. Dad never believed, nor did we, that Trinitarians were lost.
3. Dad towards the end of his ministry ... he passed in November of 2005, would say things like come and accept Jesus as your Savior to be saved. He also would teach that baptism was symbolic .... of an inward work.
My BIL, who is no longer a 3 stepper, and brought up in the conservative North Carolina tradition ... would privately get mad w/ Dad over those remarks but would keep it to himself.
4. Dad's emphasis was always on relationship when it came to salvation.
Ok...I don't have much history on these boards so I'm sorry if this was a question you answer frequently.
I was raised in the strict 3 step tradition. Growing up I had many questions and reservations but never really argued the point with family or church members. I too am a firm believer in the relationship one has with God and that the HG is a gift and not a requirement, but I question anyone's walk with God who is not filled with the spirit.
This is the problem I have with some churches who preach saved by grace, repent, and then ignore the HG even though they preach/teach the HG & tongues. Pastors should be encouraging that growth and ones personal walk with God. Instead I see services catered to guests and those who attend Sunday morning services and are not seen for 7 days.
Although I don't believe in the strict 3 stepper teaching, or the 'book of standards' I enjoy the worship in UPC services where I find HG filled saints, worshiping God and striving to walk closer with him each and every day. Not that this doesn't happen in other churches, but through my travels I've seen too many dead supposedly spirit filled churches where the HG is ignored.
So, I guess I'm a 1 stepper who doesn't 2 step around the 3rd step :yahoo
Ok...I don't have much history on these boards so I'm sorry if this was a question you answer frequently.
I was raised in the strict 3 step tradition. Growing up I had many questions and reservations but never really argued the point with family or church members. I too am a firm believer in the relationship one has with God and that the HG is a gift and not a requirement, but I question anyone's walk with God who is not filled with the spirit.
This is the problem I have with some churches who preach saved by grace, repent, and then ignore the HG even though they preach/teach the HG & tongues. Pastors should be encouraging that growth and ones personal walk with God. Instead I see services catered to guests and those who attend Sunday morning services and are not seen for 7 days.
Although I don't believe in the strict 3 stepper teaching, or the 'book of standards' I enjoy the worship in UPC services where I find HG filled saints, worshiping God and striving to walk closer with him each and every day. Not that this doesn't happen in other churches, but through my travels I've seen too many dead supposedly spirit filled churches where the HG is ignored.
So, I guess I'm a 1 stepper who doesn't 2 step around the 3rd step :yahoo
I believe the fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of a Spirit filled person ....
as found in the book of Galatians .... Jesus said that they would know that we are his disciples if we loved one another
We often confuse the manifest presence of the Spirit of God and the operation gifts of the Spirit w/ evidence of a genuine walk w/ God ....
I too enjoy and old fashion run and jump Pentecostal service .... and believe that he is manifest, or inhabits in the praises of His people ... surely a Spirit filled person will operate in the gifts and be praise filled ... but the energy generated in a service is not the tell-tale sign, IMO that people are walking w/ God daily.
..... the real McCoys are found outside of the walls of the church building and the 2 hour church service window....
LadyChocolate
12-11-2007, 07:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
maybe this is an example of a 3-stepper! LOL!!!
I mean, that one lady sure does look apostolic! LOLOL
:killinme:toofunny
Mrs. LPW
12-11-2007, 08:59 AM
A derogatory term for people who believe the bible.
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:santathumb
berkeley
12-11-2007, 12:20 PM
The believer acts on their belief by repentance, They enter into burial with Jesus through baptism. Then God seals the deal with the Holy Ghost.
I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost before I was baptized in water. God must have sealed the deal before that.!!
I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost before I was baptized in water. God must have sealed the deal before that.!!
Me too ... While still hanging on to a body of sin ... go figure.
berkeley
12-11-2007, 12:24 PM
Me too ... While still hanging on to a body of sin ... go figure.
Yeah, go figure.
TRFrance
12-11-2007, 09:12 PM
Ok...
This is the problem I have with some churches who preach saved by grace, repent, and then ignore the HG even though they preach/teach the HG & tongues. Pastors should be encouraging that growth and ones personal walk with God. Instead I see services catered to guests and those who attend Sunday morning services and are not seen for 7 days.
Although I don't believe in the strict 3 stepper teaching, or the 'book of standards' I enjoy the worship in UPC services where I find HG filled saints, worshiping God and striving to walk closer with him each and every day. Not that this doesn't happen in other churches, but through my travels I've seen too many dead supposedly spirit filled churches where the HG is ignored.
The AG denomination as a whole now seems to fit into that mold. In the most recent statistic I saw on them, only something like 25% of their "converts" were baptized, and something like 20-22% were filled with the HG.
The AG of the early 20th century was very different.
rgcraig
04-18-2008, 09:33 PM
Look what I found on page 111 of the forum!
Cindy
04-18-2008, 09:54 PM
Look what I found on page 111 of the forum!
You are so bad.........lol
I think MOW is a secret 1, 2, 3 stepper...........:bliss
berkeley
04-21-2008, 01:45 AM
Look what I found on page 111 of the forum!
ugh:tantrum
A 3 stepper is a well-intentioned Christian who has been taught incorrectly.
stiney_<3
04-21-2008, 08:42 AM
I believe that a three stepper believes that to be saved, you must REPENT, and then BE BAPTIZED, and then RECIEVE THE HOLY GHOST. one steppers believe that you pretty much are saved if you repent. so um... i guess that would make me a three stepper. i started the thread on 'what is a one stepper'. that started a whole line of crazy debates.. but i think i got it.
I believe that a three stepper believes that to be saved, you must REPENT, and then BE BAPTIZED, and then RECIEVE THE HOLY GHOST. one steppers believe that you pretty much are saved if you repent. so um... i guess that would make me a three stepper. i started the thread on 'what is a one stepper'. that started a whole line of crazy debates.. but i think i got it.
Jesus is our plan of salvation, Stiney. The bible in the NT speaks of salvific faith in WHAT HE DID over 240 times ...
Baptism does not wash your sins ... nor does it regenerate you ... or cause your New Birth ...
this is where 3 step theology is misinformed and extrabiblical ... nor is tongue talking a sign that causes a believer's salvation.
[QUOTE=Daniel Alicea;323230]Demons believe in One God and tremble ...
A 3 stepper is a misguided soul who believes in a works-based salvation ... believes water baptism mitigates grace and that the gift of the HG is an obligation.
Nonsense. Water Baptism doesn't mitigate grace any more than repentance does. It is a PART of that Grace extended freely to mankind. As to the gift of the Holy Ghost being an obligation, where in the scheme of your interpretation of the word "Gift" would you put the GIFT of eternal life? Or is the receiving of that also an obligation? Embracing the covenant of the new testament embodied in the blood the water and the spirit is not works, it is FAITH!
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