Facial Hair - Your stance on it please

[Thad]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

[Rhoni]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

It's definitely a sin and I have it waxed off every week!:killinme :killinme :killinme

:drawguns Don't laugh you probably do too!

[Thad]

WHO probably does too ??

[Rhoni]

WHO probably does too ??

That is confidential information:oops :thwak

[Thumper]

I'm with Rhoni on this one.

I think it is a sin for women to have facial hair.

[Rhoni]

I'm with Rhoni on this one.

I think it is a sin for women to have facial hair.

:ty :heeheehee

[LaGirl]

a sin for lady...not a sin for a man. although, i think the guys on the platform should not have it. JMO

[Digging4Truth]

Do you feel it's a sin ?

Nope... neither does the word of God.

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?

Nope... It is a absolutely and totally man made standard which lies completely outside the word of God.

If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

I am not a pastor... if I were I would not have a rule against facial hair.

(And no... I do not now have, never have in the past had, and never plan to in the future have.. facial hair)

[OneAccord]

My personal stance? I stand on my beard. And it hurts.

I really don't think God is overly concerned about beards. Or mustaches. Or facial hair. This is one of those areas that Paul wrote about, "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." BTW, I do have a beard... but its not long enough to stand on. (Unless someone else is doing the standing. Ouch!)

[Thad]

Nope... neither does the word of God.



Nope... It is a absolutely and totally man made standard which lies completely outside the word of God.



I am not a pastor... if I were I would not have a rule against facial hair.

(And no... I do not now have, never have in the past had, and never plan to in the future have.. facial hair)


But would you have a platform standard against it ?

some pastors don't have a rule against it for those who just attend but if they are on the platform they have to shave

[Ferd]

woman shouldnt

men should...or not

[Thad]

a sin for lady...not a sin for a man. although, i think the guys on the platform should not have it. JMO


and you reason for that ?

[LaGirl]

What are you thoughts on the thad

[Ron]

I AM DEAD SET AGAINST IT!!!










I don't believe Women should have "Beards!":D

[Thad]

woman shouldnt

men should...or not



how about on the platform

[ManOfWord]

Absolutely NOT a sin. Culturally, in the early 1900's it was acceptable for a man to have it. In the 70's, it became associated with the drug culture and the "hippies." Now, it is not a big deal. I grew a beard a while back, but Mrs. MOW is not too keen on it, and we all know what happens if Mama ain't happy!

I could care less if anyone at NLC has facial hair or not, (ladies excepted) staff or not, platform or not. However, bad attitudes are not allowed with or without facial hair and is a quicker cause for removal from anything.

[Thad]

[QUOTE=Ron;32196]I AM DEAD SET AGAINST IT!!!





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If they do then they need to go get a shot of Estrogen


I'm talking about the men in Pentecostal churches

[LadyChocolate]

I don't believe women should cut their hair at all....head, face or legs.......PERIOD











































ha ha ha ha ha ha ha:killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme just joking

[LaGirl]

and you reason for that ?

because i have never seen in on "our" platform. as far as i know, it has never been an issue. sometimes our youth leader doesnt wear a suit and sits on the platform, sing and has a part in the service. i still have a hard time getting use to that...just hard to change. know what i mean.

[Thad]

What are you thoughts on the thad




Not a sin. I wouldn't couldn't wear one though

[Rhoni]

I love a man with neatly trimmed facial hair;)! No difference platform or not...if it is s sin for one it is a sin for all...I vote it is not a sin for the men!

Blessings, Rhoni

[Ron]

I am biased.

I never Liked Beards myself even before I came to Church.
I like people who have beards-But I would never have one.

[South of I 90]

I don't think you should braid it!

[Rhoni]

I don't think you should braid it!

:killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme

[LadyChocolate]

I don't think it is a sin. I've heard the argument for years....for and against....I don't think it is an issue. except for the mustaches that are long and roll up at the end.....Then it would be a sin because I don't like it! lolol

[TRIPLE E]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

No it's not a sin.

I do not feel it's a sin nor should it be a standard.

I am a pastor and my rule on this is that beards or mustaches are not preached against neither are they encouraged.But if one has one it is to be kept clean,well kept so as to not draw undue attention to oneself.

[Digging4Truth]

But would you have a platform standard against it ?

some pastors don't have a rule against it for those who just attend but if they are on the platform they have to shave

No sir... no platform standard.

If it is not a sin then it is not a sin.

Who must I think I am if I were to make rules in excess of those the Almighty would make?

[Thumper]

If they do then they need to go get a shot of Estrogen


I'm talking about the men in Pentecostal churches

Oh

you should have specified men

[Thad]

because i have never seen in on "our" platform. as far as i know, it has never been an issue. sometimes our youth leader doesnt wear a suit and sits on the platform, sing and has a part in the service. i still have a hard time getting use to that...just hard to change. know what i mean.

so you believe it's wrong simply because you are not use to it right ?

[LaGirl]

Not a sin. I wouldn't couldn't wear one though

does your church have a platform rule against it?

[LaGirl]

so you believe it's wrong simply because you are not use to it right ?

i didnt say it was wrong. i just do not like facial hair on the platform.

[Ferd]

how about on the platform

Frist of all, i respect every pastors right to set a dress code for the platform. that is no differnet than the workplace doing so and mine does.

second, beyond the above, everything should be decent and in order so scraglly is OUT.


beyond that, the bible says dont even trim your beard so anyone trying to claim a scriptural reference point is silly.

[Thad]

No it's not a sin.

I do not feel it's a sin nor should it be a standard.

I am a pastor and my rule on this is that beards or mustaches are not preached against neither are they encouraged.But if one has one it is to be kept clean,well kept so as to not draw undue attention to oneself.


So you allow it on your platform ?


TRIPPY, you are a UPC pastor, why is it still preached against if most say it is not a sin ?

[Thad]

Oh

you should have specified men


Okay, and your take on the matter ?

Need a conservative view point here

[LaGirl]

does your church have a platform rule against it?

bump for thad

[Thad]

i didnt say it was wrong. i just do not like facial hair on the platform.


I think we talked about this before off forum and i vividly recall you saying it was your conviction against facial hair. nowz the time to explain why

[Esther]

It is NOT a sin.

It is a standard set.

I don't like beards for the most part, but IF you have one please it keep trimmed nice and neat. :)

[Thumper]

Okay, and your take on the matter ?

Need a conservative view point here

I am far more worried about women who wear short short sleeves and do not shave their armpits

[Thad]

bump for that

we always did but up until a few years ago the different ehtnic groups seem to have a whole different mind set on this topic then the mentality we were raised with on this issue.

[revrandy]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

I think all Women should shave or at least get wax treatments!!! :highfive

[LadyChocolate]

So you allow it on your platform ?


TRIPPY, you are a UPC pastor, why is it still preached against if most say it is not a sin ?

Because people don't like change ... I'm considered ultra con by most and I don't see scripture against it!

I heard an independent preacher preach once that the reason facial hair is preached against is from when the hippy movement came in, men weren't supposed to be associated with them.......so men began to shave more often...And i've also heard that it is "sissyfied" to be clean shaven.....sigh, just another topic to argue!!!

[Thad]

It is NOT a sin.

It is a standard set.

I don't like beards for the most part, but IF you have one please it keep trimmed nice and neat. :)


what is your churches platform policy

[Neck]

Who cares if a man grows facial hair?

[Thad]

I am far more worried about women who wear short short sleeves and do not shave their armpits

come on thumper your skirting around the issue!!!!:ranting

[LadyChocolate]

Who cares if a man grows facial hair?

you mean like a "chia pet" ??

[Thad]

Who cares if a man grows facial hair?


Because is some Apostolic circles and in the UPC , a man is considered LOst without God if he has facial Hair

I also want to know what evryone's church policy is on it and why

[Thumper]

come on thumper your skirting around the issue!!!!:ranting

Skirts, now that is a different issue. I think women should wear them and men should not.

[LaGirl]

I think we talked about this before off forum and i vividly recall you saying it was your conviction against facial hair. nowz the time to explain why

i NEVER said it was a conviction. i like a guy with a little 5:00 shadow! i do not like it on the platform....no conviction. just not use to it.

[LaGirl]

we always did but up until a few years ago the different ehtnic groups seem to have a whole different mind set on this topic then the mentality we were raised with on this issue.

right....that is why i was asking. i notice many black men have nice trimmed facial hair. just didnt know how your church viewed it.

[LadyChocolate]

Because is some Apostolic circles and in the UPC , a man is considered LOst without God if he has facial Hair

I also want to know what evryone's church policy is on it and why

A previous church policy :

Our church has no scripture but I said no and I run this church and that is how it is!!!!
lol

(I as in the pastor, not me)

[Neck]

Because is some Apostolic circles and in the UPC , a man is considered LOst without God if he has facial Hair

I also want to know what evryone's church policy is on it and why

I used to attend until March of this year, Parkway Apostolic Church (UPCI) in Oak Creek, WI (Milwaukee).

There was not a facial hair policy.

In the 1980's there was a frown on facial hair.

If you wan't grow it.

At the church I attend today non-UPCI but: No policy...

[BrotherEastman]

Ahh! A thread to stir the pot! Does it matter whether or not anyone has a beard?

[Esther]

what is your churches platform policy

I'm not on the platform here.

But I will say I have not seen any men with facial hair, except eyebrows and eyelashes, of course. :)

[Thad]

A previous church policy :

Our church has no scripture but I said no and I run this church and that is how it is!!!!
lol

(I as in the pastor, not me)


well, that's just the thing. I the pastor says "NO" but I have no scripture for it. but perhaps a principle applies???? what would it be ??
" come out from amongst them " ??

[Thad]

Ahh! A thread to stir the pot! Does it matter whether or not anyone has a beard?



If it's salvational , Yes

[LadyChocolate]

well, that's just the thing. I the pastor says "NO" but I have no scripture for it. but perhaps a principle applies???? what would it be ??
" come out from amongst them " ??

SO IF that were the case, when the men of the world were clean shaven, then our men shouldn't shave??

My husband shaves on a daily bases...and to be honest, it's been that way since we were married and I was brought up that facial hair was a sin...so it would be somewhat strange if he were to not shave.

[Thad]

SO IF that were the case, when the men of the world were clean shaven, then our men shouldn't shave??

My husband shaves on a daily bases...and to be honest, it's been that way since we were married and I was brought up that facial hair was a sin...so it would be somewhat strange if he were to not shave.


you make a good point there

I think we that were brought up with this mind set need to reprogram our thinking maybe not for ourselves but for this new crop that is coming along that doesn't quite see it the same.
many say this is a step down the road to apostacy and backsliding though- you know? letting down? letting things crepe in ?

[QueenEsther]

My husband does not shave everyday but he does make sure he is clean shaven before church services - not necessarily all church functions but definitely the services. I personally HATE facial hair on men so I have never let him have any even before he was on the ministry team at our church. My pastor will tell you upfront it is not a salvational issue and we have members with facial hair - some have been going to our church for quite a while also - but it is a platform rule - a personal preference from my pastor who is very very particular with thing and how they look. He likes everything to look in sync. I think he shaves every single day and gets his hair cut like every week!!!

[QueenEsther]

you make a good point there

I think we that were brought up with this mind set need to reprogram our thinking maybe not for ourselves but for this new crop that is coming along that doesn't quite see it the same.
many say this is a step down the road to apostacy and backsliding though- you know? letting down? letting things crepe in ?

I do know one guy who everytime he "quits" church he grows a beard. To me this is so immature. Either have one on a regular basis and stay in church or don't have one at all - it has nothing to do with God!!

[Thad]

My husband does not shave everyday but he does make sure he is clean shaven before church services - not necessarily all church functions but definitely the services. I personally HATE facial hair on men so I have never let him have any even before he was on the ministry team at our church. My pastor will tell you upfront it is not a salvational issue and we have members with facial hair - some have been going to our church for quite a while also - but it is a platform rule - a personal preference from my pastor who is very very particular with thing and how they look. He likes everything to look in sync. I think he shaves every single day and gets his hair cut like every week!!!

we ought to meet :killinme
I like everything in sync, i shave everyday and I cut my hair every other week

[Thad]

I do know one guy who everytime he "quits" church he grows a beard. To me this is so immature. Either have one on a regular basis and stay in church or don't have one at all - it has nothing to do with God!!


I've seen that too- I agree, it's really dumb acting

[LadyChocolate]

you make a good point there

I think we that were brought up with this mind set need to reprogram our thinking maybe not for ourselves but for this new crop that is coming along that doesn't quite see it the same.
many say this is a step down the road to apostacy and backsliding though- you know? letting down? letting things crepe in ?

Man, I've had to come full circle in life and look at everything I have ever believed in, everything that was ever preached to me....some things don't matter. I've heard it preached that video was wrong right up to even home videos of your children... come to realize that Hollywood is corrupt but my children aren't. so I don't watch tv or hollywood movies....But there is no sin in watching videos of my pics. I still believe it is a sin for women to wear pants and cut their hair and wear make up and jewelry, and I don't back up on that one bit....BUT I don't think their should be measurement placed on how long a skirt should be or how straight it shouldn't be. If you don't cut your hair and it is to your shoulders, you are far better off than the woman who trims her hair that reaches her knees..... I find no scripture for beards so it's heard to pin that down a sin.... Understand what I am saying???

[Kutless]

Facial hair is only allowed during the 4 weeks leading up to the Easter Drama.

And then of course between the hrs of 5pm on Fri nite and 7am Sun morn.

[Felicity]

I do know one guy who everytime he "quits" church he grows a beard. To me this is so immature. Either have one on a regular basis and stay in church or don't have one at all - it has nothing to do with God!!It must represent "liberty" to him. LOL. :)

[Thad]

Man, I've had to come full circle in life and look at everything I have ever believed in, everything that was ever preached to me....some things don't matter. I've heard it preached that video was wrong right up to even home videos of your children... come to realize that Hollywood is corrupt but my children aren't. so I don't watch tv or hollywood movies....But there is no sin in watching videos of my pics. I still believe it is a sin for women to wear pants and cut their hair and wear make up and jewelry, and I don't back up on that one bit....BUT I don't think their should be measurement placed on how long a skirt should be or how straight it shouldn't be. If you don't cut your hair and it is to your shoulders, you are far better off than the woman who trims her hair that reaches her knees..... I find no scripture for beards so it's heard to pin that down a sin.... Understand what I am saying???

what about functional Jewelry ? that would be gold buttons, gold hair ornaments, gold belts, gold buckles, gold watches.

is wedding rings a sin ?

[QueenEsther]

It must represent "liberty" to him. LOL. :)

But our pastor doesn't preach against them and he will allow it and this guy has never played any part in the ministry. So what is the difference?

[HeavenlyOne]

I make sure I pluck any and all facial hair I find on my face. I don't believe it's right for a woman to have facial hair, even if she's never behind the pulpit.

Now, I don't believe in the traditional standards, as most of you know, but in no way, shape, or form do I believe women should have facial hair!




Well, eyebrows and lashes are ok, I guess.

















:tease

[Blubayou]

I agree with the consensus, and do not see anything wrong with a man having a beard.

[Ferd]

My husband does not shave everyday but he does make sure he is clean shaven before church services - not necessarily all church functions but definitely the services. I personally HATE facial hair on men so I have never let him have any even before he was on the ministry team at our church. My pastor will tell you upfront it is not a salvational issue and we have members with facial hair - some have been going to our church for quite a while also - but it is a platform rule - a personal preference from my pastor who is very very particular with thing and how they look. He likes everything to look in sync. I think he shaves every single day and gets his hair cut like every week!!!

LOL! if my wife posted here the above is exactly what she would have said.

[Kutless]

what about functional Jewelry ? that would be gold buttons, gold hair ornaments, gold belts, gold buckles, gold watches.

is wedding rings a sin ?no jewelry is a joke!!!!! Quit selling those feathery things for your hair and the fancy broaches for you lapel then come talk to me.

[QueenEsther]

I do not consider functional jewlry a sin as long as it is not flashy to draw attention or as long as it isn't costly.

[Theresa]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

YES - it's a sin

and any woman who doesnt get that mess waxed off is going to hell! :D

[SoCaliUPC]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

No it is not a sin.

It should NOT be a "standard."

No rule....except should not be like ZZTop.

[HeavenlyOne]

I do not consider functional jewlry a sin as long as it is not flashy to draw attention or as long as it isn't costly.

Jewelry, flashy, costly, or otherwise, isn't mentioned as being a sin in the Bible, yet it's preached as such. I have no idea where that teaching came from.

[Chan]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?The Bible says that one must not mar the corners of one's beard. The passage seems to suggest that men wearing beards was the norm. Maybe it's a sin for men not to have a beard. :D

[Chan]

and you reason for that ?A beard is something that pertaineth unto a man.

[QueenEsther]

Jewelry, flashy, costly, or otherwise, isn't mentioned as being a sin in the Bible, yet it's preached as such. I have no idea where that teaching came from.

What about costly array?

[Kutless]

A beard is something that pertaineth unto a man.So you mean my 6th grade Social Studies teacher Miss Higambotham is hellbound?

[tbpew]

I think the no-facial hair stance has done great damage to the presumpton of biblically-based references for establishing outward appearances.

It seems to be fuel for those who that want to say how crazy it is to listen to folks that actually believe outward appearances matter.

Occassionally, it is kind of fun to see the squirmming when a person who is attempting to be both:
1. a no-face hair advocate
and
2.heralding M/F distinction

I do not wear face hair solely for one reason; I do not want to be a stumblingblock for my weaker brethren.

The local pastorate has (over the last 7-10 years) become very very accomodating of those who choose such outward appearances but the platform has no representation of such.

[Digging4Truth]

I do not consider functional jewlry a sin as long as it is not flashy to draw attention or as long as it isn't costly.

What would you define as functional jewelery.

[HeavenlyOne]

What about costly array?

Also not listed as a sin.

Do I think it's necessary? No, but 'costly array' is a subjective definition.

Go to GC and you will see lots of 'costly array'! Feathers and all!

[QueenEsther]

What would you define as functional jewelery.

A ring, a belt, a hair barrett, wedding rings, watches etc...... Some may be questionable, like those tie thingies.

[HeavenlyOne]

So you mean my 6th grade Social Studies teacher Miss Higambotham is hellbound?


LOL! My son's 5th grade teacher had a mustache, and I don't mean just a little. She had a full mustache!

I saw her a couple years ago. She shaves now. :D

[QueenEsther]

Also not listed as a sin.

Do I think it's necessary? No, but 'costly array' is a subjective definition.

Go to GC and you will see lots of 'costly array'! Feathers and all!

Oh, I know and I think some people are sinning because they worry more about thier apprearance than going and praying.

[HeavenlyOne]

What would you define as functional jewelery.

The Bible doesn't mention functional jewelry being ok or not ok. Just another man-made rule that is subjective.

[QueenEsther]

Also not listed as a sin.

Do I think it's necessary? No, but 'costly array' is a subjective definition.

Go to GC and you will see lots of 'costly array'! Feathers and all!

What is sin in your opinion? Just curious.

[Digging4Truth]

I think the no-facial hair stance has done great damage to the presumpton of biblically-based references for establishing outward appearances.

It seems to be fuel for those who that want to say how crazy it is to listen to folks that actually believe outward appearances matter.

Occassionally, it is kind of fun to see the squirmming when a person who is attempting to be both:
1. a no-face hair advocate
and
2.heralding M/F distinction

I do not wear face hair solely for one reason; I do not want to be a stumblingblock for my weaker brethren.

The local pastorate has (over the last 7-10 years) become very very accomodating of those who choose such outward appearances but the platform has no representation of such.

Agreed...

I think that the no facial hair stance might have possibly kept people away from the church as well. It is clear and easy to see that not only does the Bible not speak out against facial hair but even gives instructino on how to keep ones beard. If someone sees a group of people who blatantly speak against something full in the face of absolute evidence that the word of God say differently then how can they have any confidence in anything else they have to say.

Also... I feel the same way about keeping shaven as to not be a stumbling block to others...(although I don't think I would wear a bear anyway)... But I also believe that these people are made weak by decades of putting forth of man made doctrine. Part of what their belief is built on had no biblical basis and now this has caused them to be weak in the sight of others who did not build on such foundations.

[HeavenlyOne]

Oh, I know and I think some people are sinning because they worry more about thier apprearance than going and praying.

That's a judgment call that only God can make because He truly knows the heart.

And let's face it. We are all concerned about our appearance, and it's appropriate, as God made us that way.

Worry more about it than going and praying? How do you know? Just asking, because if they don't go, then how can they be more concerned about their appearance in order to go? If they don't pray, then why do they go?

Ok, so I'm analytical. Sue me. :D

[HeavenlyOne]

What is sin in your opinion? Just curious.

The Bible mentions what sin is. We tend to add to what the Bible says, however.

[LadyChocolate]

That's a judgment call that only God can make because He truly knows the heart.

And let's face it. We are all concerned about our appearance, and it's appropriate, as God made us that way.

Worry more about it than going and praying? How do you know? Just asking, because if they don't go, then how can they be more concerned about their appearance in order to go? If they don't pray, then why do they go?

Ok, so I'm analytical. Sue me. :D
To sue a bro or sis in would be a sin........... I'll just pray for you and add the coals of fire up on your head....:heeheehee :heeheehee

[freeatlast]

The Bible says that one must not mar the corners of one's beard. The passage seems to suggest that men wearing beards was the norm. Maybe it's a sin for men not to have a beard. :D

You know Chan, we want to go to the law and dig out a scripture, misintrepret it and put a standard on a wome of dresses only.

But we will not go into that same book of law and demand grow a beard.

[Nahum]

I think the no-facial hair stance has done great damage to the presumpton of biblically-based references for establishing outward appearances.

It seems to be fuel for those who that want to say how crazy it is to listen to folks that actually believe outward appearances matter.

Occassionally, it is kind of fun to see the squirmming when a person who is attempting to be both:
1. a no-face hair advocate
and
2.heralding M/F distinction

I do not wear face hair solely for one reason; I do not want to be a stumblingblock for my weaker brethren.

The local pastorate has (over the last 7-10 years) become very very accomodating of those who choose such outward appearances but the platform has no representation of such.

Very nice post.

I do think, at some point, we need to move past those who are offended because we do not adhere to extra-biblical mandates. Especially when entirely too much credence is placed upon such things as salvational.

I find myself less and less accomodating of such nonsense. I don't have time to be the "beard police". This issue is one of the greatest examples of personal preference run amuck, and morphing into doctrine.

[QueenEsther]

That's a judgment call that only God can make because He truly knows the heart.

And let's face it. We are all concerned about our appearance, and it's appropriate, as God made us that way.

Worry more about it than going and praying? How do you know? Just asking, because if they don't go, then how can they be more concerned about their appearance in order to go? If they don't pray, then why do they go?

Ok, so I'm analytical. Sue me. :D


I understand it is personally my opinion but when you get dressed to the hilt (and I like to look nice don't get me wrong, some would think I dress to worldly I am sure) and go to a big conference yet you spend the whole time in the foyer socializing and you don't go in and pray - then IMO your are more into your appearance and socializing than God.

[Digging4Truth]

A ring, a belt, a hair barrett, wedding rings, watches etc...... Some may be questionable, like those tie thingies.

By that definition then any jewelry could be seen as functional by one person or another.

I am not making any further statements toward your stance... just saying that it is so open for subjective reasoning that there would be very little that couldn't be included in someones list of "functional" jewelry.

[HeavenlyOne]

To sue a bro or sis in would be a sin........... I'll just pray for you and add the coals of fire up on your head....

LOL!

Well, that's good, cause I don't have anything to collect!

And since I'm sitting here with a heater on me and I'm still cold, coals of fire would feel good about now!

[HeavenlyOne]

I understand it is personally my opinion but when you get dressed to the hilt (and I like to look nice don't get me wrong, some would think I dress to worldly I am sure) and go to a big conference yet you spend the whole time in the foyer socializing and you don't go in and pray - then IMO your are more into your appearance and socializing than God.

I can agree with that, except that socializing doesn't necessarily mean you are more into your appearance.

People at GC do that all the time! LOL!

[Thad]

I make sure I pluck any and all facial hair I find on my face. I don't believe it's right for a woman to have facial hair, even if she's never behind the pulpit.

Now, I don't believe in the traditional standards, as most of you know, but in no way, shape, or form do I believe women should have facial hair!





Well, eyebrows and lashes are ok, I guess.

















:tease


TMI :heeheehee

[QueenEsther]

The Bible mentions what sin is. We tend to add to what the Bible says, however.

Not everyone does. People like to say the UPC does which is fine but if you don't agree with them and are going to constantly belittle everything they stand for then don't be a part of their organization ya know?

***THis is not directed towards HeavenlyOne just people in general*****
I know a lady who attends a UPC church and refuses to abide by their standards and grips to everyone about them, I always wonder why she still goes. If you don't agree go somewhere else, it is your choice.

[LadyChocolate]

I understand it is personally my opinion but when you get dressed to the hilt (and I like to look nice don't get me wrong, some would think I dress to worldly I am sure) and go to a big conference yet you spend the whole time in the foyer socializing and you don't go in and pray - then IMO your are more into your appearance and socializing than God.

Who actually goes to GC for anything other than socializing????? Not me! That is my time to visit with old friends, make new ones, and find out who all the liberals are so I can talk about them and tell them how wrong they are for being libs!!!!! jk

[ChTatum]

I am dead set agin' it, we all know the Bible teaches that men should be clean-shaven, just wait a minute and I'll post the scripture reference......

Ain't nobody can tell me no different either.....

[QueenEsther]

I can agree with that, except that socializing doesn't necessarily mean you are more into your appearance.

People at GC do that all the time! LOL!

No, but you can tell who is and who isn't just by the way they look and the way they carry themselves. Lol. I am not a fuddy duddy who is blind!

[Nahum]

Very nice post.

I do think, at some point, we need to move past those who are offended because we do not adhere to extra-biblical mandates. Especially when entirely too much credence is placed upon such things as salvational.

I find myself less and less accomodating of such nonsense. I don't have time to be the "beard police". This issue is one of the greatest examples of personal preference run amuck, and morphing into doctrine.

In addendum, I believe it is wrong to withhold ministry opportunities to men who have beards. I have a couple of men in my church with them, and have no intention of sitting them down because of it.

They had a beard when they came to God, and I have never condemned them for it. I'm just happy when they are faithful, love God, and take care of their family.

Whether they have a beard or not is like number 53,589,785 on my list of concerns.

[QueenEsther]

Who actually goes to GC for anything other than socializing????? Not me! That is my time to visit with old friends, make new ones, and find out who all the liberals are so I can talk about them and tell them how wrong they are for being libs!!!!! jk

I wasn't pinpointing it directly to GS, I have only been there once myself.

[Thad]

The Bible doesn't mention functional jewelry being ok or not ok. Just another man-made rule that is subjective.


what about I tim 2:9 and I Pet 3

[SDG]

In addendum, I believe it is wrong to withhold ministry opportunities to men who have beards. I have a couple of men in my church with them, and have no intention of sitting them down because of it.

They had a beard when they came to God, and I have never condemned them for it. I'm just happy when they are faithful, love God, and take care of their family.

Whether they have a beard or not is like number 53,589,785 on my list of concerns.

Pagan.

[LadyChocolate]

I wasn't pinpointing it directly to GS, I have only been there once myself.

I know....I was just joking......but I've gone and I was more interested in who was there...to be honest....i go to a lot of church during the year but that is the one place I see people that I grew up with!!!!!

[Thad]

In addendum, I believe it is wrong to withhold ministry opportunities to men who have beards. I have a couple of men in my church with them, and have no intention of sitting them down because of it.

They had a beard when they came to God, and I have never condemned them for it. I'm just happy when they are faithful, love God, and take care of their family.

Whether they have a beard or not is like number 53,589,785 on my list of concerns.


PP

unless that is not you in the avator ? I see you have a Beard. how is that you have such and a UPC pastor ???

[QueenEsther]

I know....I was just joking......but I've gone and I was more interested in who was there...to be honest....i go to a lot of church during the year but that is the one place I see people that I grew up with!!!!!

I knew you were I just wanted to clarify!! :)

[Thad]

what about functional Jewelry ? that would be gold buttons, gold hair ornaments, gold belts, gold buckles, gold watches.

is wedding rings a sin ?



* * * BUMP FOR CHOCOLATE LADY * * *

[SDG]

PP

unless that is not you in the avator ? I see you have a Beard. how is that you have such and a UPC pastor ???

There has been a double standard in enforcing this rule ... for example Jamaican and Hispanic ministers often are never questioned for facial hair

[LadyChocolate]

Thad secretly has a beard but he shaves it so no one will know!!!:heeheehee

[freeatlast]

From scripture we know Mephibosheth had a mustache.
David let his spitt run down his beard 1 Sam 21:13

Ezra had aq beard Ez 9:3

Jesus had a beard Is 50:6

Aaron had a beard Ps 133:2

All of Davds made had beards, Hanun siezed them and to humilate them cut off one side of their beards. 2 Sam 10:45

Lev 19:27 Commands God s people in the OT not to clip the edges of their beards

There is MORE biblical support for Christian me to wear beards than to shave.

But, oh well so much for our scripturual consistency.

We'll load every regulation we can on women but not on man.

I have mustache and goatee going since Sunday. I've had it before but my daughter wanted me to shave it off for her wedding.

It's coming back. hope my wife likes it. ;-)

[Nahum]

PP

unless that is not you in the avator ? I see you have a Beard. how is that you have such and a UPC pastor ???

I presently do not have a beard, or moustache, or goatee.

[True Believer]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ? NO

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ? NO


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ? Not a pastor, but I think it should be changed. If it isn't in the Bible then there is nothing wrong with it.

I can not believe this topic was posted at around 2:30 and it already has over 12 pages to it! Thad you sure know how to make people talk!:rooting

[Thad]

I do not have a beard, or moustache, or goatee.



but the picture

[Thad]

Thad secretly has a beard but he shaves it so no one will know!!!:heeheehee



OH Okay okay it's been revealed :killinme

[SDG]

bump

There has been a double standard in enforcing this rule in the fellowship ... for example Jamaican and Hispanic ministers often are never questioned for having facial hair

[Nahum]

but the picture

I PRESENTLY do not have a beard, moustache or goatee.

[LadyChocolate]

* * * BUMP FOR CHOCOLATE LADY * * *

what about functional Jewelry ? that would be gold buttons, gold hair ornaments, gold belts, gold buckles, gold watches.

is wedding rings a sin ?

For me, none means none..... I don't wear any of it. I don't see the difference..if you are going to preach no gold, then don't get around it by having gold hair decor, buckles or buttons.... that is just me... No, i don't wear a wedding band either....no jewelry means none! *NO this is not open season on chocolate lady for yall to blast her ....I know where yall stand...We aint gonna change eachothers views....*.

[Thad]

I PRESENTLY do not have a beard, moustache or goatee.



but you did have one- did you repent over this ??? :heeheehee

[Nahum]

bump

There has been a double standard in enforcing this rule in the fellowship ... for example Jamaican and Hispanic ministers often are never questioned for having facial hair

True. You would be questoning their manhood if you asked them to shave it off. Typical double standard.

[Chan]

You know Chan, we want to go to the law and dig out a scripture, misintrepret it and put a standard on a wome of dresses only.

But we will not go into that same book of law and demand grow a beard.Ah, yes, part of the ongoing hypocrisy of certain Apostolic organizations.

Much like the hypocrisy that says Trinitarians aren't saved but relying on Trinitarians to translate their Bible, write their hymns, and write many of the books they read.

:D

[Thad]

For me, none means none..... I don't wear any of it. I don't see the difference..if you are going to preach no gold, then don't get around it by having gold hair decor, buckles or buttons.... that is just me... No, i don't wear a wedding band either....no jewelry means none! *NO this is not open season on chocolate lady for yall to blast her ....I know where yall stand...We aint gonna change eachothers views....*.


no blasting here just asking this is a discusion forum afterall isn't it?
I don't wear any at all either of course I think you women are the ones that are drawn to that stuff for the most part.
personally I wouldn't wear it but to say it's a sin that would cause one to be lost for eternity I don't think so . I'm talking about functional moderation. Decking oneself with ornimentation is probably related to Pride but Pride comes in many packages LC. I've seen people with not a stitch of Jewelry on, stroll up in a Lexus full of Pride or prideful because they were so so holy.

[QueenEsther]

no blasting here just asking this is a discusion forum afterall isn't it?
I don't wear any at all either of course I think you women are the ones that are drawn to that stuff for the most part.
personally I wouldn't wear it but to say it's a sin that would cause one to be lost for eternity I don't think so . I'm talking about functional moderation. Decking oneself with ornimentation is probably related to Pride but Pride comes in many packages LC. I've seen people with not a stitch of Jewelry on, stroll up in a Lexus full of Pride or prideful because they were so so holy.

I agree! I have seen people who look the part to a T yet they get hung up on the smallest issues - things that may embarress them - PRIDE is what it is!!!!!!

[freeatlast]

Here is a posting from another forum of what one preacher thinks of beards.
I won't mention his name so I can say how ignorant this statement is.
__________________________________________________ ______________


There are Pentecostal churches all around me they can go to Heaven from, there I will share. Feeling generous today. (tongue out) Yes this is God's church but I am the poor example of the nit-wit he placed over this work and I am so small-minded and controlling. I say NOT HERE! (deadhorse) I will tell them GO TO HEAVEN but not from here! (six smileys)
__________________________________________________ ____________

So if you are a child of God's and moved to this man's town and you had a beard you would have NO welcome in this church.

Good Grief !!

[HeavenlyOne]

TMI :heeheehee

I was waiting for you to come along and notice.....ROFL!

[Nahum]

Here is a posting from another forum of what one preacher thinks of beards.
I won't mention his name so I can say how ignorant this statement is.
__________________________________________________ ______________


There are Pentecostal churches all around me they can go to Heaven from, there I will share. Feeling generous today. (tongue out) Yes this is God's church but I am the poor example of the nit-wit he placed over this work and I am so small-minded and controlling. I say NOT HERE! (deadhorse) I will tell them GO TO HEAVEN but not from here! (six smileys)
__________________________________________________ ____________

So if you are a child of God's and moved to this man's town and you had a beard you would have NO welcome in this church.

Good Grief !!

Does Elder Epley really believe that?

[Thad]

Does Elder Epley really believe that?


how do you know it came from him ????


it just might who knows? afterall he does teach that one is lost if they have facial hair

[Coonskinner]

how do you know it came from him ????


it just might who knows? afterall he does teach that one is lost if they have facial hair

I don't think he teaches that.

[freeatlast]

Does Elder Epley really believe that?

You'll have to ask him, but yes, i think i would be safe to say SE believes that.

[ChTatum]

how do you know it came from him ????


it just might who knows? afterall he does teach that one is lost if they have facial hair


I don't believe he teaches that at all. His quote says there are a number of churches around him they can go to heaven from, just not his.

[Nahum]

You'll have to ask him, but yes, i think i would be safe to say SE believes that.

Is that where the quote came from?

[Thad]

I don't think he teaches that.


coon you don't think so ?? remember he is AMF
AMF preaches that from their pulpits

[freeatlast]

I don't think he teaches that.

You're lost if you got facial hair in HIS church.

Man, wish I had a church. I'd be just like Jesus then.

[LadyChocolate]

no blasting here just asking this is a discusion forum afterall isn't it?
I don't wear any at all either of course I think you women are the ones that are drawn to that stuff for the most part.
personally I wouldn't wear it but to say it's a sin that would cause one to be lost for eternity I don't think so . I'm talking about functional moderation. Decking oneself with ornimentation is probably related to Pride but Pride comes in many packages LC. I've seen people with not a stitch of Jewelry on, stroll up in a Lexus full of Pride or prideful because they were so so holy.

I know you weren't blasting me......i was preparing myself for those who don't agree with me!:heeheehee ANd you are right....And to be honest...we try to be balanced...Concerning pride............ha I've seen people that are very very proud of how holy they were!!!!!!! go figure that one out....

Do I think your lil round buttons that look like pearls are going to send you to hell? don't think so, but some do. Is your gold band on your watch wrong? I think so, try putting on a black leather one...you'll see how quickly people get upset and don't wanna let go of their gold...

[Nahum]

Is that where the quote came from?

bump for Freeatlast

[HeavenlyOne]

Not everyone does. People like to say the UPC does which is fine but if you don't agree with them and are going to constantly belittle everything they stand for then don't be a part of their organization ya know?

***THis is not directed towards HeavenlyOne just people in general*****
I know a lady who attends a UPC church and refuses to abide by their standards and grips to everyone about them, I always wonder why she still goes. If you don't agree go somewhere else, it is your choice.

I know you didn't direct anything at me and I take no offense.

However, I'm not part of their organization. I attend a UPC church, mainly because there isn't any other option, unless I want to be Catholic or Lutheran.

I do not abide by the UPC standards, however, I don't cause trouble over it. I wear skirts to church and make sure my earrings are out. My daughter wears skirts to church as well.

I don't agree with the UPC standards, but why should I go elsewhere just because I don't agree?

Do you agree with everything your husband says? Since I'm sure you don't (because I know how husbands are, and I plan on asking God why He made us from a rib but that action caused the deletion of a few brain cells), do you think you should leave and find another? Vice versa?

Of course not. I agree with the Bible and how I interpret it. I can be (and have been) corrected, but if someone tells me what they think the Bible says and I don't agree, why should I be told to part ways?

Paul and Peter didn't agree either, yet neither of them considered the other to be unsaved, even if they thought one another was in error in their teachings.

[Rhoni]

What would you define as functional jewelery.
*an earring for each hole in your ear
*a ring for one finger on each hand
*a watch
*a braclelett in every color [white gold and yellow gold, silver, and platinum]
*a diamond necklace

that should about do it...I think...I may have forgotten something:heeheehee

[freeatlast]

bump for Freeatlast

I PM'd ya

[Coonskinner]

how do you know it came from him ????


it just might who knows? afterall he does teach that one is lost if they have facial hair

The quote mentioned was from Brother Epley.

FAL has always liked that one, and used it in his sig line back on NFCF.

I have never taught that facial hair was a sin, but it is interesting how much angst the topic seems to stir up in the hearts of some. :)

[HeavenlyOne]

In addendum, I believe it is wrong to withhold ministry opportunities to men who have beards. I have a couple of men in my church with them, and have no intention of sitting them down because of it.

They had a beard when they came to God, and I have never condemned them for it. I'm just happy when they are faithful, love God, and take care of their family.

Whether they have a beard or not is like number 53,589,785 on my list of concerns.

What is your 53,486,933rd concern? I'm just curious.


:D

[Thad]

I know you weren't blasting me......i was preparing myself for those who don't agree with me!:heeheehee ANd you are right....And to be honest...we try to be balanced...Concerning pride............ha I've seen people that are very very proud of how holy they were!!!!!!! go figure that one out....

Do I think your lil round buttons that look like pearls are going to send you to hell? don't think so, but some do. Is your gold band on your watch wrong? I think so, try putting on a black leather one...you'll see how quickly people get upset and don't wanna let go of their gold...


I think Jewelry CAN be a Pride issue. I think that Education and Degrees CAN become a Pride Issue as well as so many things that we do not disallow.
I have to admit, I don't know how to answer the scriptures where God seems to advocate the wearing of Jewelry. what do we say to this ?? I'd like to know for my own sake when asked about it

[QueenEsther]

I know you didn't direct anything at me and I take no offense.

However, I'm not part of their organization. I attend a UPC church, mainly because there isn't any other option, unless I want to be Catholic or Lutheran.

I do not abide by the UPC standards, however, I don't cause trouble over it. I wear skirts to church and make sure my earrings are out. My daughter wears skirts to church as well.

I don't agree with the UPC standards, but why should I go elsewhere just because I don't agree?

Do you agree with everything your husband says? Since I'm sure you don't (because I know how husbands are, and I plan on asking God why He made us from a rib but that action caused the deletion of a few brain cells), do you think you should leave and find another? Vice versa?

Of course not. I agree with the Bible and how I interpret it. I can be (and have been) corrected, but if someone tells me what they think the Bible says and I don't agree, why should I be told to part ways?

Paul and Peter didn't agree either, yet neither of them considered the other to be unsaved, even if they thought one another was in error in their teachings.


And I see no problem with that as long as the person isn't going around to others in the church trying to convince them of their beliefs or they aren't badmouthing the UPC's standards. I don't agree with all of them but I am not gonna bad mouth them or share my thoughts with everyone else in the church. If I really had a problem with them I would go somewhere else.

[HeavenlyOne]

what about I tim 2:9 and I Pet 3

What about them? They say nothing about jewelry being a sin or even wrong.

[Chan]

*an earring for each hole in your ear
*a ring for one finger on each hand
*a watch
*a braclelett in every color [white gold and yellow gold, silver, and platinum]
*a diamond necklace

that should about do it...I think...I may have forgotten something:heeheeheeYou forgot the toe rings - one for each toe.

[Nahum]

Here is a posting from another forum of what one preacher thinks of beards.
I won't mention his name so I can say how ignorant this statement is.
__________________________________________________ ______________


There are Pentecostal churches all around me they can go to Heaven from, there I will share. Feeling generous today. (tongue out) Yes this is God's church but I am the poor example of the nit-wit he placed over this work and I am so small-minded and controlling. I say NOT HERE! (deadhorse) I will tell them GO TO HEAVEN but not from here! (six smileys)
__________________________________________________ ____________

So if you are a child of God's and moved to this man's town and you had a beard you would have NO welcome in this church.

Good Grief !!

Elder Epley did post the comments in bold. Notice he did not say men with a beard would go to Hell. He just said they would need to go to Heaven from somewhere other than his church.

[Digging4Truth]

Does Elder Epley really believe that?

Here is a cached page (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:d2my7Fm4pnIJ:www.newfaithchildforum .com/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D2133%26page%3D14+beards+are+n ot+a+sin+not+from+here+epley+site:newfaithchildfor um.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us) from NFCF. On this page he makes the middle quote from above ab out "they can go to heaven but not from here"

It was in response to one of my posts.

[Coonskinner]

Elder Epley did post the comments in bold. Notice he did not say men with a beard would go to Hell. He just said they would need to go to Heaven from somewhere other than his church.

This is correct.

[Thad]

*an earring for each hole in your ear
*a ring for one finger on each hand
*a watch
*a braclelett in every color [white gold and yellow gold, silver, and platinum]
*a diamond necklace

that should about do it...I think...I may have forgotten something:heeheehee



Rhoni
if the ears are okay to mutilate and cut for ornimentation, why not the nose, lip, chin, brow, tongue , nipple, etc. you can't just stop at the ear because YOU think it's acceptable

[Rhoni]

You forgot the toe rings - one for each toe.
I only have one toe ring for my right foot...any more than that would be excessive;)!

[Thad]

What about them? They say nothing about jewelry being a sin or even wrong.


these scriptures admonish us not to adorn ourselves with gold , pearls ans such

[Rhoni]

Rhoni
if the ears are okay to mutilate and cut for ornimentation, why not the nose, lip, chin, brow, tongue , nipple, etc. you can't just stop at the ear because YOU think it's acceptable

I stop because it is my body and two holes in the ears is more than enough..I believe in moderation in all things;)!

Blessings, Rhoni:tease

[Rhoni]

these scriptures admonish us not to adorn ourselves with gold , pearls ans such

That's what I forgot...my pearls...a lady must have one fancy set of pearls for special occasions:heeheehee

[HeavenlyOne]

I think Jewelry CAN be a Pride issue. I think that Education and Degrees CAN become a Pride Issue as well as so many things that we do not disallow.
I have to admit, I don't know how to answer the scriptures where God seems to advocate the wearing of Jewelry. what do we say to this ?? I'd like to know for my own sake when asked about it

The only thing the Bible says about the wearing of jewelry from Paul is that we shouldn't be known by it, in addition to our hairstyle or our clothing, but we don't preach against hairstyles or clothing, do we?

[LadyChocolate]

Rhoni
if the ears are okay to mutilate and cut for ornimentation, why not the nose, lip, chin, brow, tongue , nipple, etc. you can't just stop at the ear because YOU think it's acceptable
:highfive right on Thad... mutilation to the body is mutilation...I don't care where it is.............!!!! And that FOr Sure is mentioned !!!

[Thad]

I stop because it is my body and two holes in the ears is more than enough..I believe in moderation in all things;)!

Blessings, Rhoni:tease



OH alright, well what if the next person has just ONE piercing say in the nose ??
that's one less than yours - is a nose piercing ok ? say instead of ear piercing ?

[Rhoni]

:highfive right on Thad... mutilation to the body is mutilation...I don't care where it is.............!!!! And that FOr Sure is mentioned !!!

scripture and verse please...I need proof if I am to be converted!:heeheehee

[HeavenlyOne]

And I see no problem with that as long as the person isn't going around to others in the church trying to convince them of their beliefs or they aren't badmouthing the UPC's standards. I don't agree with all of them but I am not gonna bad mouth them or share my thoughts with everyone else in the church. If I really had a problem with them I would go somewhere else.

I totally agree, and would never stir up problems in the church. That would be a sin besides.

However, there are folks out there who still think I should attend a church that believes as I do. *sigh*

[ThePastorsCoach]

There is absolutely no prohibition against facial hair in the Word of God.

I usually have a goatee but a few weeks ago was a guest at an Apostolic Conference and I shaved the day of the conference so I could bring an impartation to the people without them being concerned about the facial hair. The Bishop there does take a stand against it - but I did notice no one in the choir had facial hair - well - except some of the older women!!! :heeheehee

Right now - I am facial hair free - no - wait a minute - I STILL HAVE EYEBROWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should I shave them, pluck them or have them waxed??????? :tease

[Nahum]

That's what I forgot...my pearls...a lady must have one fancy set of pearls for special occasions:heeheehee

Rhoni, this sarcastic attitude is why you alianate so many posters.
Don't whine to us when others make fun of your "liberty".

I normally appreciate you, but this is wrong.

[Rhoni]

There is absolutely no prohibition against facial hair in the Word of God.

I usually have a goatee but a few weeks ago was a guest at an Apostolic Conference and I shaved the day of the conference so I could bring an impartation to the people without them being concerned about the facial hair. The Bishop there does take a stand against it - but I did notice no one in the choir had facial hair - well - except some of the older women!!! :heeheehee

Right now - I am facial hair free - no - wait a minute - I STILL HAVE EYEBROWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should I shave them, pluck them or have them waxed??????? :tease

Waxed...definitely!:heeheehee

[Thad]

The only thing the Bible says about the wearing of jewelry from Paul is that we shouldn't be known by it, in addition to our hairstyle or our clothing, but we don't preach against hairstyles or clothing, do we?


Yes , pentecostal churches teach against outlandish hair styles and colors in the hair and clothing that is provocative or inmodest.

[Rhoni]

Rhoni, this sarcastic attitude is why you alianate so many posters.
Don't whine to us when others make fun of your "liberty".

I normally appreciate you, but this is wrong.

Who's being sarcastic? I wear jewelry..I thought you knew that? Does it make a difference?

Blessings, Rhoni

[whollyHis]

Did you all know that Dottie Rambo does NOT have pierced ears??!! And she wears all those HUGE ear bobs...!!!!! How does she stand those heavy clip ons??!!

[LadyChocolate]

Yes , pentecostal churches teach against outlandish hair styles and colors in the hair and clothing that is provocative or inmodest.

yep, you are right, they do preach it...................

[Thad]

Who's being sarcastic? I wear jewelry..I thought you knew that? Does it make a difference?

Blessings, Rhoni



are those earrings I see in that avator of yours ??

[whollyHis]

Rhoni, this sarcastic attitude is why you alianate so many posters.
Don't whine to us when others make fun of your "liberty".

I normally appreciate you, but this is wrong.


???????

[Rhoni]

are those earrings I see in that avator of yours ??


Yes, my gold hoops. Thad, I thought you loved me regardless of my liberality in dress issues, am I wrong?

Blessings, Rhoni

[Nahum]

???????

Long story friend.

[Thad]

Yes, my gold hoops. Thad, I thought you loved me regardless of my liberality in dress issues, am I wrong?

Blessings, Rhoni


i don't hate anyone for such things but you evaded my questions

[whollyHis]

Long story friend.


*smile* K.

[HeavenlyOne]

these scriptures admonish us not to adorn ourselves with gold , pearls ans such

No they don't. They say not to be known for those things, but we should be known by our heart....fruit and spirit of God.

1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The 'whose' in verse 3 is referring to wives mentioned in verse 1. It doesn't say NOT to wear those things, otherwise you would have to admit that it's also saying not to wear clothing, and we know that's not accurate. We also don't preach that it's a sin to plait the hair.

1 Tim. 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Again, nothing that says we shouldn't wear those things or braid our hair, but that our adornment should be modest and with good works.

If the point was against jewelry, Paul would have also mentioned diamonds, emeralds, and such like, but that wasn't his point at all.

[freeatlast]

When I first became a Christian i brought in my first year about a dozen other sailors into the church i was in.

One black brother came and recieved the HG. He had a beard and a DR's excuse to have a beard in the Navy due to ingrown hair problems he experienced from shaving. it is a problem with some blacks the their kinky beard will turn and grow back in, causing much pain and infection.

pastor told him he HAD to shave or he would be lost. pastor told him to have faith and shave and God would take care of it cause he just could not have a beard.

The brother shaved and his face broke out terriblly. He klasted about a week intha enviroment.

The other dozen or so that came in that first year I was there....all gone. all , each and every one of them run off with this kind of STUPID theology.

The church was of an Ultra Con org called the AMF. No facial hair. long sleeves/ no gold..the pastor actually had his gold fillings removed and replaced with amalgam fillings.

Standards in my opinion are a heaven or hell issue...those that enforce misinterpreted scriptures as salvational issues are in danger.

No way I'd want to stand before God and explain why I run one his children off over a mustache. I'd rather meet God with a cigarette hanging out of my face. I think i'd have a better chance of makin it.

NO , I am not advocating smokin' b4 ya get all up in my face. ;-)

The

[Rhoni]

i don't hate anyone for such things but you evaded my questions

Thad, What questions are you talking about...I answered all of them very explicitly as I recall?

Blessings, Rhoni

[Thad]

OH alright, well what if the next person has just ONE piercing say in the nose ??
that's one less than yours - is a nose piercing ok ? say instead of ear piercing ?


***BUMP FOR RHONI****

[Thad]

I must go - argue on

I'll get back to this thread later .

have a good day (most of you !!!!!)

[freeatlast]

:highfive right on Thad... mutilation to the body is mutilation...I don't care where it is.............!!!! And that FOr Sure is mentioned !!!

how did all of God's children in the OT who adorned them selves with ear rings and other ornaments wear them? Were they clip on or did they have peirced ears.

[LadyChocolate]

THey were pierced........................................






and they were disobedient............they had learned the ways of Egypt

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes , pentecostal churches teach against outlandish hair styles and colors in the hair and clothing that is provocative or inmodest.

Thad, I thought we were talking about costly array, wearing of gold and braiding the hair? I said nothing about immodesty or coloring hair (which isn't wrong either).

And preaching against outlandish hair styles? ROFL!!

Surely you've been to GC before!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Did you all know that Dottie Rambo does NOT have pierced ears??!! And she wears all those HUGE ear bobs...!!!!! How does she stand those heavy clip ons??!!

Large, pendulous lobes!

[Rhoni]

I don't believe in nose rings, I think they are distracitng and unnecessary. It is obvious who belongs to who...;)

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes , pentecostal churches teach against outlandish hair styles and colors in the hair and clothing that is provocative or inmodest.

The scriptures I posted from 1 Peter says 'or the putting on of apparell', not 'the putting on of immodest apparell'. If we use that scripture to preach against jewelry, we have to also preach against 'the putting on of apparell'.

[freeatlast]

THey were pierced........................................






and they were disobedient............they had learned the ways of Egypt

Right on the 1st count..wrong on the second

[HeavenlyOne]

THey were pierced........................................






and they were disobedient............they had learned the ways of Egypt

So when the Bible says that God will put earrings on His beloved, she won't have pierced ears?



Eze 16:12
And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

[LadyChocolate]

I read that they were told to take off their strange God's and they began to pull off their earring and other jewelry.....:dunno

[HeavenlyOne]

I read that they were told to take off their strange God's and they began to pull off their earring and other jewelry.....:dunno

Can you post that please? I don't find that. The closest thing I find is this:



Ex 35:22 And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the LORD.

And this:

Nu 31:50
We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD.

Looks to me like they were giving an offering. They also gave up their rings, but we don't preach against rings.

[freeatlast]

LC I'm not gonna argue with ya. Ya all just keep believing that.

[SDG]

Can you post that please? I don't find that. The closest thing I find is this:



Ex 35:22 And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the LORD.

And this:

Nu 31:50
We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD.

Looks to me like they were giving an offering. They also gave up their rings, but we don't preach against rings.

Would God accept this sacrifice if he thought it was a sin to wear jewelry???

[LadyChocolate]

Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

There is one, I'll get more

[HeavenlyOne]

Would God accept this sacrifice if he thought it was a sin to wear jewelry???

If He thought is was a sin, He wouldn't post scripture about how He will adorn His bride with it.

[LadyChocolate]

Gen 35:2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:
Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

[SDG]

Jacob's granddaddy gave Jacob's mom jewelry as a wedding gift...

Genesis 24
52Abraham's servant bowed down and thanked the LORD. 53Then he gave clothing, as well as silver and gold jewelry, to Rebekah. He also gave expensive gifts to her brother and her mother.

[freeatlast]

Well this has been fun..but I think I'm gonna go watch my beard grow.

Later ya all....play nice now

[HeavenlyOne]

Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

There is one, I'll get more

The earrings weren't strange gods. God told Jacob to gather the strange gods and change their apparell. Maybe giving him their earrings was part of that, I don't know.

You also said it wasn't because they got that idea from Egypt. I don't see evidence of that either, although I have to admit that it's possible.

I'll wait for your next scripture.

[SDG]

The earrings weren't strange gods. God told Jacob to gather the strange gods and change their apparell. Maybe giving him their earrings was part of that, I don't know.

You also said it wasn't because they got that idea from Egypt. I don't see evidence of that either, although I have to admit that it's possible.

I'll wait for your next scripture.

If Abraham gave Rebekah jewelry ... this was before the captivity ....

[LadyChocolate]

The earrings weren't strange gods. God told Jacob to gather the strange gods and change their apparell. Maybe giving him their earrings was part of that, I don't know.

You also said it wasn't because they got that idea from Egypt. I don't see evidence of that either, although I have to admit that it's possible.

I'll wait for your next scripture.

Jdg 8:24 And Gideon said unto them, I would desire a request of you, that ye would give me every man the earrings of his prey. (For they had golden earrings, because they were Ishmaelites.)

[HeavenlyOne]

Jdg 8:24 And Gideon said unto them, I would desire a request of you, that ye would give me every man the earrings of his prey. (For they had golden earrings, because they were Ishmaelites.)

Uh, earrings of their prey? You mean, the earrings that belonged to their enemies? Gideon wanted the earrings of the enemy. I'm not seeing where this means earrings are wrong.

Did you see the scriptures advocating jewelry that I posted? I didn't see your comment on them.

[SDG]

The law commanded the Jewish to pierce the ears of Hebrew slaves ....

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

[LadyChocolate]

Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
Isa 3:17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. Isa 3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
Isa 3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
Isa 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
Isa 3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
Isa 3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
Isa 3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

[SDG]

Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
Isa 3:17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. Isa 3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
Isa 3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
Isa 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
Isa 3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
Isa 3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
Isa 3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

Looks like we need to eliminate fine linen, hoods, vails and mantles according to this scripture

[ThePastorsCoach]

Could someone please post on here what our LORD JESUS CHRIST said about all this??????????????

[Rhoni]

Could someone please post on here what our LORD JESUS CHRIST said about all this??????????????

let your moderation be known to all men...

Blessings, Rhoni

[SDG]

Could someone please post on here what our LORD JESUS CHRIST said about all this??????????????

He did share a parable in which a Father gives a lost son a ring.

[LadyChocolate]

.........and we have to take the mufflers off of our cars............:heeheehee

i see it in the scripture!!! i have said before that we will never change another's view! Have a good day yall!!!:ty

[Annie]

Could someone please post on here what our LORD JESUS CHRIST said about all this??????????????



:bliss What a novel idea, bro!!!

[crakjak]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?


Facial hair is totally NOT a spiritual issue, aren't there enough issues without creating one w/o in which there is not one iota of scripture basis?:drawguns

[crakjak]

Not a sin. I wouldn't couldn't wear one though

Some of us can grow a beard, maybe when you grow up you'll be able to?:killinme :heeheehee

[HeavenlyOne]

Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
Isa 3:17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. Isa 3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
Isa 3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
Isa 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
Isa 3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
Isa 3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
Isa 3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.


And your point?

[ThePastorsCoach]

How about a few quotes from our LORD JESUS CHRIST and several of his Disciples that are as specific as many UPC and "Apostolic" preachers are. Just a few quotes from a few that wrote the Bible, please! Thanks!

[freeatlast]

Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
Isa 3:17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. Isa 3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
Isa 3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
Isa 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
Isa 3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
Isa 3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
Isa 3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

There's your problem,NOT the weaaring of jewelry. HAUGHTY_NESS

[SDG]

How about a few quotes from our LORD JESUS CHRIST and several of his Disciples that are as specific as many UPC and "Apostolic" preachers are. Just a few quotes from a few that wrote the Bible, please! Thanks!

.... I'm looking ... give me a second .... :heeheehee

[SDG]

There's your problem,NOT the weaaring of jewelry. HAUGHTY_NESS

Yep ... if this was about the jewelry then

The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails would be sinful too ....

[MrsMcD]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

No, it's not a sin.

As long as it is neat, it shouldn't be a standard.

My pastor allows facial hair.

[LaVonne]

I know I know !! we've discussed this before but i would like everyone to refresh me on your personal stance on this issue .


Do you feel it's a sin ?

Do you feel it's not a sin but should still be a standard ?


If you are OR you was a pastor, what would be your rule on this ?

It's ugly and gross!

[hammondb3klingon1]

according to historical references, a man without a beard is effiminate.

[ManOfWord]

I don't think a pastor has a right to tell anyone in the church he pastors how to wear their hair on their head or on their face. If he wants to have a "professional" look on the platform or ministry team that is one thing. But where in the world does a man get that he has a right, responsibility or obligation to be the "appearance" police?

[berkeley]

a sin for lady...not a sin for a man. although, i think the guys on the platform should not have it. JMO
why not?

[berkeley]

No it's not a sin.

I do not feel it's a sin nor should it be a standard.

I am a pastor and my rule on this is that beards or mustaches are not preached against neither are they encouraged.But if one has one it is to be kept clean,well kept so as to not draw undue attention to oneself.when did you start pastoring?

[tbpew]

I don't think a pastor has a right to tell anyone in the church he pastors how to wear their hair on their head or on their face. If he wants to have a "professional" look on the platform or ministry team that is one thing. But where in the world does a man get that he has a right, responsibility or obligation to be the "appearance" police?
one possibility....
because he sees himself as a ruler that everyone should obey

[ManOfWord]

one possibility....
because he sees himself as a ruler that everyone should obey

Ah....I perceive that thou art enlightened! :D

[hammondb3klingon1]

no beard no heaven :)

[berkeley]

no beard no heaven :)No beard Know heaven..

Know beard No heaven!!!

[ManOfWord]

No beard Know heaven..

Know beard No heaven!!!

Now, that is cute. Heretical, but cute nonetheless! :D

[hammondb3klingon1]

I guess the LORD did not make it to heaven based on some people's "Doctrine"

[berkeley]

Now, that is cute. Heretical, but cute nonetheless! :D
lol

[ManOfWord]

I guess the LORD did not make it to heaven based on some people's "Doctrine"

Aye! Matey!

[berkeley]

Aye! Matey!I just shaved today. I was lookin like a... nvm.

[hammondb3klingon1]

I just shaved today. I was lookin like a... nvm.

Nun ? Kenneth Haney? Sister Haney? Clifford the Dog? :) Sorry I'm getting nothing.

[berkeley]

Nun ? Kenneth Haney? Sister Haney? Clifford the Dog? :) Sorry I'm getting nothing.

I dunno.. some say like a trucker.. others say a mountain man... others a redneck... and someone said that I look very "ethnic"!! :dunno

[hammondb3klingon1]

A mountain man is a good thing, a trucker is ok, the redneck(Shy away from this one), ethnic??? Like daniel, Me, or MOW

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Pagan.


There is a Pastor Pagan in Illinois.

Pastor Postor is not the same person. :highfive

[berkeley]

A mountain man is a good thing, a trucker is ok, the redneck(Shy away from this one), ethnic??? Like daniel, Me, or MOW
uh, how are you ethnic? He meant that I look like a Messican!!

[MrRight]

Obviosly, I don't think it is a sin. My pastor doesn't make me shave.

[berkeley]

Obviosly, I don't think it is a sin. My pastor doesn't make me shave.that is your real pic?

[TRIPLE E]

when did you start pastoring?

About 20 years ago -:drawguns

[hammondb3klingon1]

uh, how are you ethnic? He meant that I look like a Messican!!

I am pretty dark :killinme :highfive

[berkeley]

About 20 years ago -:drawgunsI didn't know that you are a pastor! where do you pastor?

[MrRight]

that is your real pic?

Was that na insult?

[TRIPLE E]

I didn't know that you are a pastor! where do you pastor?

Somewhere far far away from Cali !

[berkeley]

Somewhere far far away from Cali !oh. right.. in Canada.. or as I call it "America Jr." :heeheehee

[berkeley]

Was that na insult?
Naw..

[TRIPLE E]

So you allow it on your platform ?


TRIPPY, you are a UPC pastor, why is it still preached against if most say it is not a sin ?

I've never preached against it and I haven't heard it preached against in these parts in ages!

[TRIPLE E]

oh. right.. in Canada.. or as I call it "America Jr." :heeheehee

We are still a vital part of the North American Union!

[MrRight]

Naw..

Ok.

[berkeley]

Ok.
so it is you?

[berkeley]

We are still a vital part of the North American Union!
blah blah blah

[tbpew]

I've never preached against it and I haven't heard it preached against in these parts in ages!

Then why is the statistically "highly unlikely" reality of no men on platforms having facial hair the hallmark of any sectional, district, or general meeting?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

*an earring for each hole in your ear
*a ring for one finger on each hand
*a watch
*a braclelett in every color [white gold and yellow gold, silver, and platinum]
*a diamond necklace

that should about do it...I think...I may have forgotten something:heeheehee

Nose rings
Eyebrow piercings
Lip Studs

[TRIPLE E]

Then why is the statistically "highly unlikely" reality of no men on platforms having facial hair the hallmark of any sectional, district, or general meeting?

Respect for elders who may have convictions against it, or just a tradition more than a standard.

[MrRight]

so it is you?

Who els would it be????????????????????????? You're kiding right?