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Did you Hear that Evangelist Caston Smith just Preached a Scathing Message against AFF and CAF ???????????
AND GUESS WHERE????????????????????????????????????????????? ??
At Pastor Gary Reckhart's church !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good for Caston ... he's got a paying gig.
********* EXTRA *****************
I'm getting clips of the message!!!!!!
I'll post it if the admin will permit
Brother Price
12-13-2007, 02:56 AM
Please do not, Thad. CS is a man trying to be something more than anyone else, not knowing how he is having to lower himself to do such. With the amount of lost in the world, to think the man would waste precious time preaching against a forum or two seems preposterous and down right silly to me.
We are to preach the Gospel and teach principles of spiritual maturity. Adding anything else is unneeded and should be avoided.
Just my early thoughts. :D
RevBuddy
12-13-2007, 06:16 AM
Spare us, Thad!
LOL! so what? 11 people heard it and one of them posted it some place?
revrandy
12-13-2007, 07:39 AM
So he is preaching against forums he got kicked off of...??? :D
tamor
12-13-2007, 08:15 AM
So he is preaching against forums he got kicked off of...??? :D
Yeah, go figure. :christmasjig
SoCaliUPC
12-13-2007, 09:50 AM
How sad...
You have a lost and dying world going to hell and the thing to preach is an internet forum. Where are the priorities?
PastorD
12-13-2007, 10:20 AM
Thad...please post! I want to hear this nut.
ChicagoPastor
12-13-2007, 10:32 AM
id like to hear it.
post it.
berkeley
12-13-2007, 10:32 AM
who is CS?
Brother Price
12-13-2007, 11:04 AM
Berk, he is a man who is as I was. Please, pray for him.
Carpenter
12-13-2007, 11:05 AM
Please do not, Thad. CS is a man trying to be something more than anyone else, not knowing how he is having to lower himself to do such. With the amount of lost in the world, to think the man would waste precious time preaching against a forum or two seems preposterous and down right silly to me.
We are to preach the Gospel and teach principles of spiritual maturity. Adding anything else is unneeded and should be avoided.
Just my early thoughts. :D
This is exactly why he SHOULD post it!!!!
:D
drummerboy_dave
12-13-2007, 11:08 AM
I just might hafta sugar coat this one for ya'll, but who cares? The guy is a freak.
Brother Price
12-13-2007, 11:08 AM
This is exactly why he SHOULD post it!!!!
:D
Troublemaker...
:ursofunny
Thad...please post! I want to hear this nut.
That remark was uncalled for
I just might hafta sugar coat this one for ya'll, but who cares? The guy is a freak.
that wasn't fair
id like to hear it.
post it.
I might get them today- give me a little time but we'll get it posted
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 11:44 AM
That remark was uncalled for
How....
Would you like if I better explained him for you?
Nutcase, Wacko oh there are many more names... shall I continue???
Oh please dont get me started on this dude again please please
Oh wait... too late!!!!!!
See Sig line!!!!!!
How....
Would you like if I better explained him for you?
Nutcase, Wacko oh there are many more names... shall I continue???
Oh please dont get me started on this dude again please please
Oh wait... too late!!!!!!
See Sig line!!!!!!
He just might be reading this AG
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 11:55 AM
He just might be reading this AG
Good for him Thad... seriously I know that was said in a funny tone but yes... I am sick of his antics and not worried one bit about what he says or does. Its all pure stupidity and I am tired of it! As I know many others around here are also.
Good for him Thad... seriously I know that was said in a funny tone but yes... I am sick of his antics and not worried one bit about what he says or does. Its all pure stupidity and I am tired of it! As I know many others around here are also.
what antics? you are tired of what? he's not allowed to post here anymore you know
DividedThigh
12-13-2007, 12:03 PM
LOL! so what? 11 people heard it and one of them posted it some place?
that is what i thought, so are being a little evangelistic with those numbers ferd, lol,dt:santaclaus
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 12:07 PM
what antics? you are tired of what? he's not allowed to post here anymore you know
You just dont want me to go there. I am not going to go further with it.. just well... nevermind seriously
Did you Hear that Evangelist Caston Smith just Preached a Scathing Message against AFF and CAF ???????????
AND GUESS WHERE????????????????????????????????????????????? ??
At Pastor Gary Reckhart's church !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell him to get back to the great commission "Preaching against cut hair"
that is what i thought, so are being a little evangelistic with those numbers ferd, lol,dt:santaclaus
LOL! well, maybe i was speaking in faith?
You just dont want me to go there. I am not going to go further with it.. just well... nevermind seriously
why are you backing away now???
11?? I thought they ran 30-40
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 12:23 PM
why are you backing away now???
Not backing away just not in the mood to argue right now. Everyone knows very clearly how I feel about this person and his papa GR!
Not backing away just not in the mood to argue right now. Everyone knows very clearly how I feel about this person and his papa GR!
O come on AG don't be like that
DividedThigh
12-13-2007, 12:27 PM
LOL! well, maybe i was speaking in faith?
thats a lot of faith bro, lol,dt:christmasjig
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 12:30 PM
O come on AG don't be like that
I am sorry, I do want to say more i really do but I am really just in lurk mode as I am officially sicker than a dog!!!! It takes all me strength to type much less think LOL
BoredOutOfMyMind
12-13-2007, 12:31 PM
He just might be reading this AG
Good for him Thad... seriously I know that was said in a funny tone but yes... I am sick of his antics and not worried one bit about what he says or does. Its all pure stupidity and I am tired of it! As I know many others around here are also.
Thad does not read much of the forum apparently so does not remember Caya and the Blog
:stirpot
Folks, try to remain civil and kind even to those who would speak ill of the board?
I am sorry, I do want to say more i really do but I am really just in lurk mode as I am officially sicker than a dog!!!! It takes all me strength to type much less think LOL
AGAIN??????
Quick! put this Woman in a convalesent home for the Elderly !!!
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 12:33 PM
Thad does not read much of the forum apparently so does not remember Caya and the Blog
:stirpot
Folks, try to remain civil and kind even to those who would speak ill of the board?
Sniff sniff... I am tryin.. thats another reason I am not sayin nuttin!!!!
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 12:34 PM
AGAIN??????
Quick! put this Woman in a convalesent home for the Elderly !!!
Again?? I have this stinkin cold thats been lingering for a week or so and some stomach crud.. think they may be linked not sure... had laryngitis back when I talked to you last but that never went away and I think its what caused this again actually... Mr I dont ever wanna go to the dr Thad!!!!!!!! LOL
Theophil
12-13-2007, 01:10 PM
Spare us, Thad!
Caston Smith so eloquently demonstrates the 'moderate conservative' viewpoint. We should take notes....NOT!!!
:jolly
Joseph Miller
12-13-2007, 02:51 PM
Did you Hear that Evangelist Caston Smith just Preached a Scathing Message against AFF and CAF ???????????
AND GUESS WHERE????????????????????????????????????????????? ??
At Pastor Gary Reckhart's church !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is anyone supprised???????????????????
ChicagoPastor
12-13-2007, 02:52 PM
Is anyone supprised???????????????????
Wasn't CS a buddy of yours or something?
Wasn't CS a buddy of yours or something?
I thought they was friends too
Joseph Miller
12-13-2007, 02:53 PM
Wasn't CS a buddy of yours or something?
Key word WAS
ChicagoPastor
12-13-2007, 02:54 PM
Key word WAS
LOL!
when did is become was????
Key word WAS
what happend? why did you withdraw your friendship?
was it related to what happend here on AFF ?
freeatlast
12-13-2007, 03:01 PM
Yeah, in the last days there shall be idiots among us, saith the L-rd.
Joseph Miller
12-13-2007, 03:01 PM
LOL!
when did is become was????
When all the stuff happened here he was threatening to take everyone to court. He turned against me and started to accuse me of wanting to defame him. I figured I had spent enough time (almost 2 years) trying to help him become stable.
what happend? why did you withdraw your friendship?
was it related to what happend here on AFF ?
Yes it was related to AFF.
Kansas Preacher
12-13-2007, 03:04 PM
He just might be reading this AG
Thad,
Surely you don't think he'd preach against this forum and then READ the very thing he's been preaching against?
:jolly
dizzyde
12-13-2007, 03:07 PM
How....
Would you like if I better explained him for you?
Nutcase, Wacko oh there are many more names... shall I continue???
Oh please dont get me started on this dude again please please
Oh wait... too late!!!!!!
See Sig line!!!!!!
OH NO, not this again!!! LOL!! :killinme :killinme
Feel Better Quick AG!!! :bouquet
Joseph Miller
12-13-2007, 03:20 PM
Tell him to get back to the great commission "Preaching against cut hair"
...and Sesame Street!!!
Don't forget to include...
short sleeves
beards
colored shirts
shoes with gold buckles
suspenders with gold
....:stirpot
Trouvere
12-13-2007, 03:31 PM
Brother Reckart is smarter than that.CS will be history soon enough.
I wonder when his face will appear on the famous wall?
Joseph Miller
12-13-2007, 03:35 PM
Brother Reckart is smarter than
umm......Are you for real?????????:stirpot
Brother Price
12-13-2007, 03:36 PM
CS sent me an e-mail, slamming me. Makes me so glad to know I am not with them, of that mindset, and in need of that much applause from man.
CS needs to find an altar and truly repent for having such an ungodly attitude. It does not further the Kingdom, and only makes him leave a bad taste in the brethren's mouth. I know I used to be as such, but it took a strong series of events for me to see that I was wrong, dead wrong.
I pray CS turns himself before he comes face to face with a crisis, as I have.
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 03:45 PM
umm......Are you for real?????????:stirpot
That right thar is funny yes it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There aint one smart bone in that dudes body! If so he wouldnt be backing CS
Carpenter
12-13-2007, 03:46 PM
CS sent me an e-mail, slamming me. Makes me so glad to know I am not with them, of that mindset, and in need of that much applause from man.
CS needs to find an altar and truly repent for having such an ungodly attitude. It does not further the Kingdom, and only makes him leave a bad taste in the brethren's mouth. I know I used to be as such, but it took a strong series of events for me to see that I was wrong, dead wrong.
I pray CS turns himself before he comes face to face with a crisis, as I have.
How dare you speak about a wonderful man of God like this.
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 03:46 PM
OH NO, not this again!!! LOL!! :killinme :killinme
Feel Better Quick AG!!! :bouquet
Oh believe me! If this gets too good I will be here... something about me and the ability to heal quickly in certain situations (well at least be well nuff to be somewhat more alert! ) LOL:woohoo
Praxeas
12-13-2007, 03:56 PM
Good for Caston ... he's got a paying gig.
Burying dead folks?
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 04:00 PM
Burying dead folks?
:killinme:killinme:killinme
Here's what i Think. he's young-I think he's just a kid. you all should give him a break.
Theophil
12-13-2007, 04:02 PM
[QUOTE=Trouvere;326362]Brother Reckart is smarter than that....
Don't count on it. :jolly
***** NEWS ALERT*****
NEW LETTER OF REBUKE ABOUT THE UPC BY CASTON SMITH!!!!!
The United Pentecostal Church & Organized Religion
By Reverend J. Caston Smith
An historical event took place in 1945 in St. Louis, Missouri. Two Oneness Pentecostal organizations merged together to make one. One was the Pentecostal Church Inc. (PCI) the other was the Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ (PAJC). The new organization was named the United Pentecostal Church, and later known as the United Pentecostal Church International .
For sixty-two years the United Pentecostal Church International has been respected, looked to and referred to as “mother-ship”, great fellowship, the church, and many other senseless things. Can I tell you that the UPCI is NOT the mother-ship. Believe it or not the United Pentecostal Church has embraced false doctrines for years. It’s just been mostly kept a secret.
Did you know that the Pentecostal Church Incorporated believed that a sinner was saved at repentance alone? Mind you that the PCI was one of the two that merged in 1945 to form what we know as the UPCI today. Is this not a doctrine taught by the Assemblies of God? The reason why the old PCI believed this was because the majority of them, and their overseers came out of that massive spiritual orphanage know as the AoG.
None of the PCI men taught Water and Spirit as salvation. However this seemed not to matter to some who did, the merger still took place. The question lies within the minds of a lot of younger generation Apostolics, “why such doctrinal confusion in the early days of Pentecost?” while I may not have all the answers, I however do believe the reason why there was such utter confusion is because these men really didn’t know what they believed.
Howard A. Goss who was the PCI’s General Chairman was a former Assemblies of God official, prior to the split between the Oneness and AoG that took place at an AoG meeting around 1912. This man did not believe Water and Spirit as salvation. He held on to the trinitarian teaching of “Saved at repentance”. We know from scripture that no one is saved at repentance alone. How did this man become the UPC first General Superintendent and still hold on to AoG doctrine? Well, it’s because the fact is the UPCI was not and has not been doctrinally stable in 62 years.
It wasn’t until the 1970's when their General and Executive boards FINALLY added “for the remission of sins” to their fundamental doctrinal statement, regarding salvation.
What an awful disgrace to true Oneness Apostolic Church.
There is a list of false doctrines that the UPCI has embraced through out the years (all though some have been kept secret)
The Light Doctrine- A doctrine or belief that ensures people who never heard the Oneness Acts 2:38 message a chance of heaven, because they were “walking in all the light they knew”
This doctrine is a lie. Anyone who has not repented of their sin, been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and receives the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues is not saved and unless they obey the plan of salvation, there is no chance of them being in Heaven. We know this from scripture
Saved At Repentance- A false doctrine that is rooted in the teachings of the Assemblies of God and other trinitarian Pentecostal organizations. The Pentecostal Church Inc. taught this lie and it has carried on over to the many UPCI today.
We know this doctrine or teaching to be a heresy as it is contrary to the original plan of salvation taught by the Apostles. Repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, receiving the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues. A sinner is not saved at repentance alone. Unless they follow through with the entire 3 steps of the plan as listed above, they are not saved whatsoever.
This is a teaching that has also been kept somewhat secret, some have taught that baptism is not apart of salvation. Again this roots back to the Pentecostal Church Inc. bringing the false doctrine of one “saved at repentance” in from the Assemblies of God.
-Yes, the ones who believed that would baptize in Jesus’ Name, but did not believe baptism was apart of salvation. This is NOT an Apostolic teaching.
We know this to be another lie taught, because
I Peter 3:21 says “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us”
Did you know that even some of the very prominent UPCI ministers did not believe in the gifts of the Spirit? This false teaching is definitely contrary to Pentecostalism itself. Regardless of which side you’re on, Oneness or trinitarian.
The late president of ABI was said to not believe in the gifts of the Spirit. I have talked to several who know this to be a fact. So it’s not just hearsay.
The story was told how the late D.L. Welch went to ABI to teach a series of Bible lessons on the Oneness of God. It was said that prior to Bro Welch arriving in St. Paul that the Holy Ghost moved on him to teach on the gifts of the Spirit. This he did and the late ABI president became angry and asked Welch to leave.
There were some in the UPCI many years ago and even today that believe one really doesn’t have to have the Holy Ghost to go to heaven. We know that this is also a false teaching as the book of Romans tells us that without the Spirit of Christ we are none of His.
There are several other false doctrines that were held openly and secretly by the UPCI in years past and are those today as well. We know that the latest form of evil and worldliness that has flooded the UPCI lately is ecumenical liberalism. This we know is absolutely a massive compromise that Satan is the conductor and author of.
A major event recently took place at the UPCI’s General Conference in Tampa, Florida 2007. Resolution 4 was passed which now allows all the backsliders to advertise their concerts, social gatherings and services on that One Eyed Devil known as the TV. Something that the UPCI took a stand against for many years.
I propose to you that the UPCI is full of liars and hypocrites. Their decision to maintain their Manual’s position on ownership of television remains, but allows advertisement via television? These backsliders already have television in their homes so why not do away with the entire section in their manual on television?
The fact is that nearly every UPCI church goer, pastor, minister, etc. has a television in their home; save a few who have recently pulled out to join with the Tulsa group. There might be a few who are honest in signing the annual affirmation statement, but this is, as I said a few here and there between.
I have many family members who have went to their Bible Colleges and who have faithfully attended their churches, and I know these things to be fact. I’ve set in the homes of different UPCI pastors who I know have TV. I’ve preached in UPCI assemblies where the pastors, and church members have no problem going to the movie theaters, renting movies from the movie stores, or renting them from their local libraries.
The pastors have no problem with the young ladies coming in dressed like harlots, having splits in their skirts, short sleeves, knee skirts, capped sleeves, manicured finger and toe nails (french tipped) and young men coming in dressed like homosexuals. I’m not talking about new converts, I’m talking about praise singers, musicians, Sunday school teachers, ushers, etc.
A saying in reference to women wearing splits in their skirts I heard once goes like this
“I found out the reason why some churches have split tailed skirts, 1. The Pastor likes them, or 2. The Pastor’s wife likes them”
How true this saying is! And how sad it is too.
***CONTINUED***
There are several things tolerated and allowed to go on in various UPCI and independent liberal churches that are totally contrary to Holiness standards.
Some of these are
Wedding bands
Trimmed hair on women
Split tailed skirts-skirts designed with splits in front
Short sleeves
Knee skirts
Low neck lines
Homosexual trends and fashions on young men
Worldly hair styles on young men-messy look, etc.
Long side burns
All sorts of jewelry-broaches on women etc.
Television
Video
Costly array
Make-up-foundation, lip gloss, etc.
Some men growing their hair passed or touching their shirt collars
Women wearing tight skirts
Parents dressing their infants in shorts and little girls in pants, toddler boys in shorts etc.
Now you go into a real Apostolic Church and you will not find these things. If you do then I can assure you that Holiness is lacking and it is not a real Apostolic Church.
I am now going to endeavor to encourage all good men, pastors, ministers, and layman to come out of the UPCI and find a true Apostolic Church. As the UPCI no longer can be looked upon as an Apostolic organization that produces the doctrines of Holiness and Separation from the world.
Jesus tells us in the book of Revelation 18:4 this
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
We know that Jesus was speaking of the Great Whore which we know is the Roman Catholic Church.
Now with saying that ....
I propose this
-The RCC has one head known as the Pope.
-The UPCI has one head known as the General Superintendent.
-The RCC has a body of Bishops and a body of Cardinals.
-The UPCI has a General Board and an Executive Board.
-The RCC has dioceses in each state where men are appointed as Bishops of that dioceses.
- The UPCI has sections where men are appointed as presbyters of that particular section.
So as we can clearly see that there are vast similarities betwixt the RCC and the UPCI in their governing systems.
This is not only in the UPCI but also in
ALJC
PAW
COJC
ACJC
PAJC
COOLJC
Now Jesus told us to COME OUT from her MY PEOPLE–now I believe that the Apostolic Oneness people are in fact God’s TRUE people.
What Jesus is telling us is to come out from the Great Whore in every manner INCLUDING her governing systems.
Not in just doctrine and practices, but COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE!
-Now I am NOT against organized fellowship, however I am opposed to organized religion.
-Jesus Christ is the head of the Church
-There needs not to be any level of ministry considered higher than the other.
-These governing systems were not the practice of the early church, but rather the Great Whore who broke away from us the true Apostolic Church.
So again let me encourage to break away from organized religion wether you’re
UPCI
ALJC
PAW
COJC
COOLJC
ACJC
PAJC
Etc.
and find good men who adhere to Apostolic Holiness, the doctrine of One God, Salvation according to Acts 2:38 as the only plan of salvation, and let us obey what Jesus said in Revelation 18:4
“COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE”
Standing For Truth,
Rev. Caston Smith, Apostolic Preacher
Jesus Christ Saves -Then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost-Acts 2:38
Please Leave you comments and input on this letter thanks
Brother Price
12-13-2007, 04:48 PM
I would care not to comment. I just ate.
dizzyde
12-13-2007, 04:50 PM
***** NEWS ALERT*****
NEW LETTER OF REBUKE ABOUT THE UPC BY CASTON SMITH!!!!!
The United Pentecostal Church & Organized Religion
By Reverend J. Caston Smith
An historical event took place in 1945 in St. Louis, Missouri. Two Oneness Pentecostal organizations merged together to make one. One was the Pentecostal Church Inc. (PCI) the other was the Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ (PAJC). The new organization was named the United Pentecostal Church, and later known as the United Pentecostal Church International .
For sixty-two years the United Pentecostal Church International has been respected, looked to and referred to as “mother-ship”, great fellowship, the church, and many other senseless things. Can I tell you that the UPCI is NOT the mother-ship. Believe it or not the United Pentecostal Church has embraced false doctrines for years. It’s just been mostly kept a secret.
Did you know that the Pentecostal Church Incorporated believed that a sinner was saved at repentance alone? Mind you that the PCI was one of the two that merged in 1945 to form what we know as the UPCI today. Is this not a doctrine taught by the Assemblies of God? The reason why the old PCI believed this was because the majority of them, and their overseers came out of that massive spiritual orphanage know as the AoG.
None of the PCI men taught Water and Spirit as salvation. However this seemed not to matter to some who did, the merger still took place. The question lies within the minds of a lot of younger generation Apostolics, “why such doctrinal confusion in the early days of Pentecost?” while I may not have all the answers, I however do believe the reason why there was such utter confusion is because these men really didn’t know what they believed.
Howard A. Goss who was the PCI’s General Chairman was a former Assemblies of God official, prior to the split between the Oneness and AoG that took place at an AoG meeting around 1912. This man did not believe Water and Spirit as salvation. He held on to the trinitarian teaching of “Saved at repentance”. We know from scripture that no one is saved at repentance alone. How did this man become the UPC first General Superintendent and still hold on to AoG doctrine? Well, it’s because the fact is the UPCI was not and has not been doctrinally stable in 62 years.
It wasn’t until the 1970's when their General and Executive boards FINALLY added “for the remission of sins” to their fundamental doctrinal statement, regarding salvation.
What an awful disgrace to true Oneness Apostolic Church.
There is a list of false doctrines that the UPCI has embraced through out the years (all though some have been kept secret)
The Light Doctrine- A doctrine or belief that ensures people who never heard the Oneness Acts 2:38 message a chance of heaven, because they were “walking in all the light they knew”
This doctrine is a lie. Anyone who has not repented of their sin, been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and receives the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues is not saved and unless they obey the plan of salvation, there is no chance of them being in Heaven. We know this from scripture
Saved At Repentance- A false doctrine that is rooted in the teachings of the Assemblies of God and other trinitarian Pentecostal organizations. The Pentecostal Church Inc. taught this lie and it has carried on over to the many UPCI today.
We know this doctrine or teaching to be a heresy as it is contrary to the original plan of salvation taught by the Apostles. Repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, receiving the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues. A sinner is not saved at repentance alone. Unless they follow through with the entire 3 steps of the plan as listed above, they are not saved whatsoever.
This is a teaching that has also been kept somewhat secret, some have taught that baptism is not apart of salvation. Again this roots back to the Pentecostal Church Inc. bringing the false doctrine of one “saved at repentance” in from the Assemblies of God.
-Yes, the ones who believed that would baptize in Jesus’ Name, but did not believe baptism was apart of salvation. This is NOT an Apostolic teaching.
We know this to be another lie taught, because
I Peter 3:21 says “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us”
Did you know that even some of the very prominent UPCI ministers did not believe in the gifts of the Spirit? This false teaching is definitely contrary to Pentecostalism itself. Regardless of which side you’re on, Oneness or trinitarian.
The late president of ABI was said to not believe in the gifts of the Spirit. I have talked to several who know this to be a fact. So it’s not just hearsay.
The story was told how the late D.L. Welch went to ABI to teach a series of Bible lessons on the Oneness of God. It was said that prior to Bro Welch arriving in St. Paul that the Holy Ghost moved on him to teach on the gifts of the Spirit. This he did and the late ABI president became angry and asked Welch to leave.
There were some in the UPCI many years ago and even today that believe one really doesn’t have to have the Holy Ghost to go to heaven. We know that this is also a false teaching as the book of Romans tells us that without the Spirit of Christ we are none of His.
There are several other false doctrines that were held openly and secretly by the UPCI in years past and are those today as well. We know that the latest form of evil and worldliness that has flooded the UPCI lately is ecumenical liberalism. This we know is absolutely a massive compromise that Satan is the conductor and author of.
A major event recently took place at the UPCI’s General Conference in Tampa, Florida 2007. Resolution 4 was passed which now allows all the backsliders to advertise their concerts, social gatherings and services on that One Eyed Devil known as the TV. Something that the UPCI took a stand against for many years.
I propose to you that the UPCI is full of liars and hypocrites. Their decision to maintain their Manual’s position on ownership of television remains, but allows advertisement via television? These backsliders already have television in their homes so why not do away with the entire section in their manual on television?
The fact is that nearly every UPCI church goer, pastor, minister, etc. has a television in their home; save a few who have recently pulled out to join with the Tulsa group. There might be a few who are honest in signing the annual affirmation statement, but this is, as I said a few here and there between.
I have many family members who have went to their Bible Colleges and who have faithfully attended their churches, and I know these things to be fact. I’ve set in the homes of different UPCI pastors who I know have TV. I’ve preached in UPCI assemblies where the pastors, and church members have no problem going to the movie theaters, renting movies from the movie stores, or renting them from their local libraries.
The pastors have no problem with the young ladies coming in dressed like harlots, having splits in their skirts, short sleeves, knee skirts, capped sleeves, manicured finger and toe nails (french tipped) and young men coming in dressed like homosexuals. I’m not talking about new converts, I’m talking about praise singers, musicians, Sunday school teachers, ushers, etc.
A saying in reference to women wearing splits in their skirts I heard once goes like this
“I found out the reason why some churches have split tailed skirts, 1. The Pastor likes them, or 2. The Pastor’s wife likes them”
How true this saying is! And how sad it is too.
I'm not going to bother to respond to ALL of the untruths and idiotic things said in this "letter". But may I submit the above bolded "FACTS". Our dear brother has apparently recently become psychic. I have NO problem stating, based on his "FACTS", that the dear brother would not know a "FACT" if it walked up and slapped in the face.
My overall response is:
#1
:groan
#2
:eeeew
#3
:vomit
#4
:pullhair
#5
:grumpy
#6
:banghead
Brother Price
12-13-2007, 04:55 PM
DD, come on. Show us how you really feel. :D
dizzyde
12-13-2007, 05:03 PM
DD, come on. Show us how you really feel. :D
Trust me, no one wants that! LOL!! :toofunny
retsambeW
12-13-2007, 05:09 PM
Ok, Thad, I will respond to Smith's letter.
YAWN
:D
JamDat
12-13-2007, 05:12 PM
Thad you've made more of an impact with Smith's letter then he did, lol.
AmazingGrace
12-13-2007, 05:13 PM
Trust me, no one wants that! LOL!! :toofunny
:woohoo:woohoo
freeatlast
12-13-2007, 05:16 PM
The dude must have spell check....cuz I know he ain't smart enough to spell all those words right.
Put it all opposite, on a balance scale with 5 pounds of doggy doo. It'll weigh about the same.
BoredOutOfMyMind
12-13-2007, 05:16 PM
CS sent me an e-mail, slamming me. Makes me so glad to know I am not with them, of that mindset, and in need of that much applause from man.
after reading this thread?!?
THe break should be right below the chin and right above the shoulders.
Here's what i Think. he's young-I think he's just a kid. you all should give him a break.
CSMITH is as relevant as fertilizer on a fencepost.
There is a missing vat of Kool Aide missing somewhere.
***CONTINUED***
There are several things tolerated and allowed to go on in various UPCI and independent liberal churches that are totally contrary to Holiness standards.
Some of these are
Wedding bands
Trimmed hair on women
Split tailed skirts-skirts designed with splits in front
Short sleeves
Knee skirts
Low neck lines
Homosexual trends and fashions on young men
Worldly hair styles on young men-messy look, etc.
Long side burns
All sorts of jewelry-broaches on women etc.
Television
Video
Costly array
Make-up-foundation, lip gloss, etc.
Some men growing their hair passed or touching their shirt collars
Women wearing tight skirts
Parents dressing their infants in shorts and little girls in pants, toddler boys in shorts etc.
Now you go into a real Apostolic Church and you will not find these things. If you do then I can assure you that Holiness is lacking and it is not a real Apostolic Church.
I am now going to endeavor to encourage all good men, pastors, ministers, and layman to come out of the UPCI and find a true Apostolic Church. As the UPCI no longer can be looked upon as an Apostolic organization that produces the doctrines of Holiness and Separation from the world.
Jesus tells us in the book of Revelation 18:4 this
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
We know that Jesus was speaking of the Great Whore which we know is the Roman Catholic Church.
Now with saying that ....
I propose this
-The RCC has one head known as the Pope.
-The UPCI has one head known as the General Superintendent.
-The RCC has a body of Bishops and a body of Cardinals.
-The UPCI has a General Board and an Executive Board.
-The RCC has dioceses in each state where men are appointed as Bishops of that dioceses.
- The UPCI has sections where men are appointed as presbyters of that particular section.
So as we can clearly see that there are vast similarities betwixt the RCC and the UPCI in their governing systems.
This is not only in the UPCI but also in
ALJC
PAW
COJC
ACJC
PAJC
COOLJC
Now Jesus told us to COME OUT from her MY PEOPLE–now I believe that the Apostolic Oneness people are in fact God’s TRUE people.
What Jesus is telling us is to come out from the Great Whore in every manner INCLUDING her governing systems.
Not in just doctrine and practices, but COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE!
-Now I am NOT against organized fellowship, however I am opposed to organized religion.
-Jesus Christ is the head of the Church
-There needs not to be any level of ministry considered higher than the other.
-These governing systems were not the practice of the early church, but rather the Great Whore who broke away from us the true Apostolic Church.
So again let me encourage to break away from organized religion wether you’re
UPCI
ALJC
PAW
COJC
COOLJC
ACJC
PAJC
Etc.
and find good men who adhere to Apostolic Holiness, the doctrine of One God, Salvation according to Acts 2:38 as the only plan of salvation, and let us obey what Jesus said in Revelation 18:4
“COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE”
Standing For Truth,
Rev. Caston Smith, Apostolic Preacher
Jesus Christ Saves -Then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost-Acts 2:38
Brother Price
12-13-2007, 06:59 PM
after reading this thread?!?
Some people seek applause from those they have been led to believe are super-spiritual and so much better than they are.
Troublemaker...
:ursofunny
WAFFLEMAKER!
:horn
CSMITH is as relevant as fertilizer on a fencepost.
TV1a, A lot of Pentecostals have these same convictions Do you knock all of them the same for Teaching or abiding by this code of dress and conduct ?
I would care not to comment. I just ate.
Bro Price, I'd like you to post the email that you exchanged w/CS
Thanks
I don't have a problem with personal convictions. I have a problem with the arrogance of people which make idiotic statements which suggests people split hell wide open. Smith's diatribe was nothing but a personal agenda.
Almost all of CS's convictions are subjective. He is wrong to make judgemental statements because people disagree his subjective convictions are not salvational issues.
TV1a, A lot of Pentecostals have these same convictions Do you knock all of them the same for Teaching or abiding by this code of dress and conduct ?
nwlife
12-14-2007, 03:09 AM
While I laugh at some of the things in the thread, I am reminded and sobered it was a couple other young preachers we were doing the same thing about not even a year ago. And at least one seems to have changed. Time only tells the length and bounds of which we strive and achieve, regardless of the direction we so choose.
Brother Price
12-14-2007, 04:37 AM
Bro Price, I'd like you to post the email that you exchanged w/CS
Thanks
Brother, I think that I am just going to let men like CS alone. He e-mailed me with condolences, and I do appreciate such.
Maybe I was wrong in my assumptions about CS, but I know that right now, I am not going to judge no man. Life is way too short and people need way more love than judging can afford.
SiblingRevelry
12-14-2007, 04:53 AM
I read Caston Smith's missive and I had a flashback to the 19 year old girl I was, so totally conflicted by the emphasis on standards and torn between obeying my pastor (who was opposed to me going to college) and my parents (who were furious that their daughter dropped out after making honor roll).
I don't EVER want to go back to those days, when I was so depressed because I realized I couldn't live up to the long list of don'ts that I'd been taught. I literally despaired of life. It was a charismatic lady, Shirley, who was able to talk me "off the ledge" as it were with words of God's grace. I'm still learning those words, nearly three decades later.
The Caston Smiths of the world have no idea what kind of burdens they cast on those who are hardly able to bear them. At this point in time, I won't take a standard on myself unless I'm absolutely convinced that it's God's will for me. In other words, I'm not just taking the pastor's word about hair, clothing, jewelry, TV, etc., etc., etc. I NEVER want to be where I was when I was 19, never again.
What a flashback. For someone who has never taken drugs, that was just as strong as if I'd taken a tab of acid (at least according to the accounts of friends who've told me about their "trips"). Never again.
Did you Hear that Evangelist Caston Smith just Preached a Scathing Message against AFF and CAF ???????????
AND GUESS WHERE????????????????????????????????????????????? ??
At Pastor Gary Reckhart's church !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sad, that a little group of "holier than thou" folks get together like that on a regular basis to congratulate one another on just how holy they are and to look down their noses on all those "sinners" out there who do not see eye to eye with their narrow minded ways.
Sad, that they take their own (some times ridiculous) personal convictions and judge everyone else's salvation by them.
Just about the whole 23rd chapter of Matthew speaks about an attitude like that and we all can fall into that attitude if we are not careful.
RandyWayne
12-15-2007, 09:41 PM
You know, at first Caston Smith made me laugh, then made me angry, then made me laugh again, then finally made me shake my head. I feel sorry for him. I still get the feeling that deep down inside he is a decent guy who would stop to help someone at the side of the road if they needed it -like the Samaritan. Just an assumption.
I hope the Lord fills the need he has inside to "fit in" and will help him channel his energies to doing His work.... not Reckarts.
RevBuddy
12-18-2007, 05:46 PM
Hey, I found something in CS's totally misguided utterances I can agree with!!
''so why not eliminate the whole section in their manual about television?''
Right on, CS!...the only thing I could find that contained an iota of sanity...congrats!
Joseph Miller
12-18-2007, 10:03 PM
Hey, I found something in CS's totally misguided utterances I can agree with!!
''so why not eliminate the whole section in their manual about television?''
Right on, CS!...the only thing I could find that contained an iota of sanity...congrats!
LOL
That is the ONLY thing he has said that made any sense. :stirpot
Joseph Miller
04-01-2009, 10:36 PM
Bump
Jason B
04-01-2009, 11:11 PM
***CONTINUED***
There are several things tolerated and allowed to go on in various UPCI and independent liberal churches that are totally contrary to Holiness standards.
Some of these are
Wedding bands
Trimmed hair on women
Split tailed skirts-skirts designed with splits in front
Short sleeves
Knee skirts
Low neck lines
Homosexual trends and fashions on young men
Worldly hair styles on young men-messy look, etc.
Long side burns
All sorts of jewelry-broaches on women etc.
Television
Video
Costly array
Make-up-foundation, lip gloss, etc.
Some men growing their hair passed or touching their shirt collars
Women wearing tight skirts
Parents dressing their infants in shorts and little girls in pants, toddler boys in shorts etc.
Now you go into a real Apostolic Church and you will not find these things. If you do then I can assure you that Holiness is lacking and it is not a real Apostolic Church.
I believe in holiness and I believe in standards-this is neither, I believe the word for it is STUPIDITY
Jason B
04-01-2009, 11:15 PM
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
We know that Jesus was speaking of the Great Whore which we know is the Roman Catholic Church.
Now with saying that ....
I propose this
-The RCC has one head known as the Pope.
-The UPCI has one head known as the General Superintendent.
-The RCC has a body of Bishops and a body of Cardinals.
-The UPCI has a General Board and an Executive Board.
-The RCC has dioceses in each state where men are appointed as Bishops of that dioceses.
- The UPCI has sections where men are appointed as presbyters of that particular section.
So as we can clearly see that there are vast similarities betwixt the RCC and the UPCI in their governing systems.
This is not only in the UPCI but also in
ALJC
PAW
COJC
ACJC
PAJC
COOLJC
Now Jesus told us to COME OUT from her MY PEOPLE–now I believe that the Apostolic Oneness people are in fact God’s TRUE people.
What Jesus is telling us is to come out from the Great Whore in every manner INCLUDING her governing systems.
Not in just doctrine and practices, but COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE!
-Now I am NOT against organized fellowship, however I am opposed to organized religion.
-Jesus Christ is the head of the Church
-There needs not to be any level of ministry considered higher than the other.
-These governing systems were not the practice of the early church, but rather the Great Whore who broke away from us the true Apostolic Church.
So again let me encourage to break away from organized religion wether you’re
UPCI
ALJC
PAW
COJC
COOLJC
ACJC
PAJC
Etc.
and find good men who adhere to Apostolic Holiness, the doctrine of One God, Salvation according to Acts 2:38 as the only plan of salvation, and let us obey what Jesus said in Revelation 18:4
“COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE”
Standing For Truth,
Rev. Caston Smith, Apostolic Preacher
won't be that many people in heaven if it is only oneness Jesus name people-especially pre 20th century, but this fellow would condemn to hell most of the oneness folks too.
Apostolic preacher? Right...sounds just like Peter and Paul.:sad
n david
04-02-2009, 09:07 AM
I am now going to endeavor to encourage all good men, pastors, ministers, and layman to come out of the UPCI and find a true Apostolic Church. As the UPCI no longer can be looked upon as an Apostolic organization that produces the doctrines of Holiness and Separation from the world.
Jesus tells us in the book of Revelation 18:4 this
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
We know that Jesus was speaking of the Great Whore which we know is the Roman Catholic Church.
Now with saying that ....
I propose this
-The RCC has one head known as the Pope.
-The UPCI has one head known as the General Superintendent.
-The RCC has a body of Bishops and a body of Cardinals.
-The UPCI has a General Board and an Executive Board.
-The RCC has dioceses in each state where men are appointed as Bishops of that dioceses.
- The UPCI has sections where men are appointed as presbyters of that particular section.
So as we can clearly see that there are vast similarities betwixt the RCC and the UPCI in their governing systems.
This is not only in the UPCI but also in
ALJC
PAW
COJC
ACJC
PAJC
COOLJC
Now Jesus told us to COME OUT from her MY PEOPLE–now I believe that the Apostolic Oneness people are in fact God’s TRUE people.
What Jesus is telling us is to come out from the Great Whore in every manner INCLUDING her governing systems.
Not in just doctrine and practices, but COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE!
-Now I am NOT against organized fellowship, however I am opposed to organized religion.
-Jesus Christ is the head of the Church
-There needs not to be any level of ministry considered higher than the other.
-These governing systems were not the practice of the early church, but rather the Great Whore who broke away from us the true Apostolic Church.
So again let me encourage to break away from organized religion wether you’re
UPCI
ALJC
PAW
COJC
COOLJC
ACJC
PAJC
Etc.
and find good men who adhere to Apostolic Holiness, the doctrine of One God, Salvation according to Acts 2:38 as the only plan of salvation, and let us obey what Jesus said in Revelation 18:4
“COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE”
Standing For Truth,
Rev. Caston Smith, Apostolic Preacher
Jesus Christ Saves -Then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost-Acts 2:38
:blah :blah :blah
:crazy
ManOfWord
04-03-2009, 12:34 PM
I wonder if he is posting about these groups from behind bars and using the library system to post! LOL! :D
HeavenlyOne
04-03-2009, 12:45 PM
Bump
Where have you been hiding??
hadassah
04-03-2009, 11:35 PM
please dont! I dont care . For the first time in 17 years I have a place where I can speak. Ive been kept silent for years for lack of anyone to talk to or care about what I might have to say and here I can speak, hear others issues,challenge, change my mind, speak about things I care about, ask scriptural questions. Im so glad there are hebrew scholars here.
mfblume
04-03-2009, 11:41 PM
With a quote speaking of Caston and Reckart, we read:CS sent me an e-mail, slamming me. Makes me so glad to know I am not with them, of that mindset, and in need of that much applause from man.
CS needs to find an altar and truly repent for having such an ungodly attitude. It does not further the Kingdom, and only makes him leave a bad taste in the brethren's mouth. I know I used to be as such, but it took a strong series of events for me to see that I was wrong, dead wrong.
I pray CS turns himself before he comes face to face with a crisis, as I have.
Keep up the good work, Bishop.
Comment by William Price | September 26, 2008
From: http://acts0412.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/hello-world/
And then from: http://www.reallifeinjesuschrist.com/?p=33
Restored Back To The True Faith
One week from today is the holiest day of the year for many true believers, Passover. It is the occasion when we remember the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ at Calvary as He commanded and instituted, when He said for us to do it. It is a holy time, a sacred time, a consecrated and sanctified day unto the Lord. It is a time when we remember how the Crosss took our judgment, and the Resurrection gave us our victory.
I am going to take this opportunity to send thanks to Bishop Gary Reckart of Jesus Messieh Church in Tampa, Florida
Interesting.
(http://www.reallifeinjesuschrist.com/?p=28)
Pulling Away From Forums
I have made a personal decision that I believe is ebenficial for my growth in this restoration process. I have decided to leave Internet forums once and for all. I have come to see that many so-called Apostolic forums are nothing more than battlegrounds where favoritism abounds and truth can be challenged without being championed.
Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you. (Ephesians 4:29-32 NKJV)
While forums can be a good idea, if moderated properly, many ceased being moderated properly, and have become spiritual free-for-alls, allowing people to come on and lead young and unprepared souls astray. Some forums are nothing more than bashing forums, not presenting truth, but instead playgrounds for individual to attack those who have fallen, just in order to make the posters look so superior.
This is not the Christian thing to do. I was considering starting my own Internet forum here on this server, but after seeing all I have, and after being the target of those prideful men who took advantage of my fall to attack me, I decided against it. Why would I want my name associated in such a manner? I have a hard enough time trying to get myself in alignment, not to mention spread the truth as I am now doing. Also, I have enough time with people who go by screen names, hiding their true identity, calling me names.
So, I am encouraging all pastors and leaders to warn their saints about these Internet forums. They can poison the faith of your saints, if they are not careful.
April 1st, 2009
I have and do continue to pray for Bro Price and Bro. Reckart.
Sister Alvear
04-05-2009, 08:53 AM
I really feel sorry for William...he seems so unstable...many times people that have great abilities are unstable in the work of the Lord. He is a very intelligent person. I pray for him...wonder where he is now?
SOUNWORTHY
01-24-2010, 08:28 AM
Please Leave you comments and input on this letter thanks
How old is this guy?
Where is he from?
Did he attend any Bible College?
Why is he so bitter?
Is he married?
Does he have children, (God help them)?
Caston Smith is on Facebook.
He is listed there as Caston N Misty Smith.
If this works, it is his page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/caston.smith?ref=search&sid=1302197425.829356478..1
He and his wife had a baby girl on December 8, 2009
MariJane Abigail Smith
was born at 8:34 PM
She weighed in at 7 pounds and 4 ounces
rgcraig
01-24-2010, 02:24 PM
Good to see she doesn't have bobbed hair!
Jason B
01-24-2010, 04:12 PM
Caston Smith is on Facebook.
He is listed there as Caston N Misty Smith.
If this works, it is his page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/caston.smith?ref=search&sid=1302197425.829356478..1
He and his wife had a baby girl on December 8, 2009
MariJane Abigail Smith
was born at 8:34 PM
She weighed in at 7 pounds and 4 ounces
he named his child marijane? I wouldn't do that when I was in the world. WOW
he named his child marijane? I wouldn't do that when I was in the world. WOW
:ursofunny
He probably did not know what MaryJane is, being a good conservative Christian all his life.
That is funny....
Hey! What's that smell? Something burning? Rope maybe?
:ursofunny
he named his child marijane? I wouldn't do that when I was in the world. WOW
to the pure, all things are pure
Methinks it's time to re-post this from our brother Caston Smith since he directed it to some of us on AFF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pamBuNngU_I
Trouvere
01-25-2010, 11:12 AM
Any girl in her right mind knows Marijanes are cute shoes!
They even come in red.
Any girl in her right mind knows Marijanes are cute shoes!
They even come in red.
RED???
Not for us holiness people!!!
Trouvere
01-25-2010, 11:42 AM
Hey red shoes are great if you wear them with a black dress and black hose and a black hair bow. We could baptize them and make them repent if it made a difference.
RandyWayne
01-25-2010, 12:47 PM
Caston Smith is on Facebook.
He is listed there as Caston N Misty Smith.
If this works, it is his page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/caston.smith?ref=search&sid=1302197425.829356478..1
"I'm sorry Ollie......"
dizzyde
01-25-2010, 02:37 PM
Caston Smith is on Facebook.
He is listed there as Caston N Misty Smith.
If this works, it is his page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/caston.smith?ref=search&sid=1302197425.829356478..1
He and his wife had a baby girl on December 8, 2009
MariJane Abigail Smith
was born at 8:34 PM
She weighed in at 7 pounds and 4 ounces
HE GOT MARRIED??!!!?? Oh dear, I am fighting so hard to keep my mouth shut!!! MMMMMMMMMM.... (that is me humming, to keep from talking) :oops
RandyWayne
01-25-2010, 02:42 PM
HE GOT MARRIED??!!!?? Oh dear, I am fighting so hard to keep my mouth shut!!! MMMMMMMMMM.... (that is me humming, to keep from talking) :oops
"Now Stann lee. Why. am. I. not. allowed. to. find. wedded. bliss ?"
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2283&d=1264358214
(By the way Caston, if your reading this, congratulations! Beautiful baby!)
"I'm sorry Ollie......"
I'm one of his Facebook Friends
SOUNWORTHY
01-25-2010, 05:45 PM
Bro Price, I'd like you to post the email that you exchanged w/CS
Thanks
You know what I would tell you...:foottap
John Atkinson
01-26-2010, 02:51 AM
Methinks it's time to re-post this from our brother Caston Smith since he directed it to some of us on AFF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pamBuNngU_Inow that was almost funny...
Trouvere
01-26-2010, 11:16 AM
Hey cute baby for sure!!!!
Fiyahstarter
01-26-2010, 03:13 PM
No he DID NOT say Jezzie spirit???? LOLOLOLOL.
Praxeas
02-04-2010, 06:30 PM
Methinks it's time to re-post this from our brother Caston Smith since he directed it to some of us on AFF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pamBuNngU_I
That's not even listenable. The sad part is he claims they are singing this TO the Lord and praising Him
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